Episode 089 - Ryan Montbleau

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recorded March 26, 2018
published April 12, 2018

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We first saw Ryan Montbleau back in 2012 in Boston on a Rock and Blues Cruise that featured the Ryan Montbleau Band. It was a full boat and was packed with Ryan Montbleau fans and the band totally rocked the house. Or rather the boat.

The singer-songwriter and bandleader has been a relentless road warrior. His last album called I Was Just Leaving is a bit more introspective than his previous but certainly shows off his songwriting chops. His most recent project is a duo with the wonderful Hayley Jane called Yes Darling.

Our occasional co-host Ike Walker joined us at our usual location in Concord, MA and we talked jury duty, moving, writing, dreams…uh…eggs…lots of stuff!

photo credit: Joe Wallace Photography

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I first saw Ryan my blue back in 2012 in Boston on a rock and blues cruise that featured the ryan my blue band. It was a full boat and was packed with Ryan my blue fans and the band totally rocked the house or rather the boat. The singer songwriter and band leader has been a relentless Road Warrior. His last album called I was just leaving is a bit more introspective than his previous but certainly shows off his songwriting chops. His most recent project is a duo with the wonderful Haley Jane called Yes, darling. I was joined by guest co host Ike Walker at our usual location in Concord, Massachusetts, and we talked to jury duty moving writing dreams. Eggs, lots of stuff. Great talk and Ryan and I are now the bestest of friends just ask him. Anyways, here is our conversation with Ryan month blue recorded at Woods Hill table. Concord, Massachusetts.

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Mr. Mike blue. Thank you for coming out here. My pleasure. I think I remember you mentioning your it for jury duty.

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Haha, yeah. But it got canceled. Yeah. So so you you went or you know, I got an email a few days ago saying it was canceled.

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So YUNB you live in Burlington,

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I'm officially a resident of Massachusetts, which I'm which I'm working on right now. Yeah, I've had this room I've rented in LA. I'm from Peabody, right. And I lived in Cambridge, Somerville for years. And then I, I've had this room in Lawrence that I still have, that I still pay rent for, but it's very cheap rent. And it's a beautiful old Victorian house in Lawrence. And it started as our band house years ago, but I've been in there over 10 years now. Maybe 1112 years. I'm there now actually, like finally clearing out stuff and sort of getting geared up to leave Finally, it's been a long time coming. We'll see. But right yeah, so I'm still like, I'm still a resident of man. It's gonna feel weird if I do leave to really officially not have a place in Massachusetts as I bought my whole life. You know,

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a parent still here.

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Now. My parents moved to Naples, Florida. Naples years ago. Yeah, on the golf course doing that thing. That's

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they go to the Red Sox. And

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they just went the other day. I got them tickets. Yeah,

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yeah. I'm in the spring training.

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It's pretty cool. I heard it's awesome. Spring Training is an interesting mix of like, because the veterans don't really care. Can I swear on this? Yeah. Okay. veterans don't really give a shit. And but I mean, they kind of do, but they know they're going to make the team. So it's really laid back and it's like 80 degrees, but it's that mixed with like, these young players that are going crazy trying to so it's like this nice mix of effort and non effort

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we were going to talk about about jury duty.

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and I both have strong feelings about jury duty.

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I have pretty strong feelings. I said I'm

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gonna try already. Years ago I did in Cambridge, what was it was a sexual assault trial. Crazy, heavy stuff. But it wasn't it was a it was a heightening experience. Yeah, it was like really to be a part of that. And to realize that you're just you know, this is what we do in our country. You could be sitting there if you're charged with the crime be sitting there in front of a jury of your peers deciding your face, right. Pretty heavy stuff.

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Yeah, it was heavy. Yeah, it was heavy. For me. I had a good experience in that. I mean, it was a bad the guy's a bad dude. And he stabbed somebody. Okay, but we went in and it was like two days, I was in there. And then we went into the actual trial, and we were sitting, sitting, sitting and then the bailiff came in and said, just pleaded guilty. The judge will be in here in just a minute. The judge came in and spoke to us for like 20 minutes telling us how thankful she was and how appreciative of us taking the time out of our busy day. And how important it is as Americans how many times a week man does it still

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do that crucial?

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Yes. Like I was so impressed with how appreciative they were of us. Yeah, and they treated us really well but but looking at you I don't know if you had the same experience I didn't

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know why I've been in jury duty wants and didn't get on a trial and so you're just bitter because you know I think jury duty is really important and so I message to the listeners out there is don't try to get out of jury

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duty I don't think for most people just like you just try to get out it's never convenient and never comes out. Honestly when I did it at the time I was I was years ago I was on the road like crazy but I had a few days off like happened to it this time like and I was home and I was kind of broke and on the road all the time anyway so i think i was like paid like 50 bucks a day and I was I loved it I was like I thought it was great for that and but it was I mean it was heavy stuff like no joke.

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I don't want anything boring like a you know something my

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father years ago, my father sat on a jury and Lawrenson was like there was like a major drug case that like putting out kilos of cocaine and bags of cash and guns that they found on the thing and I think my father had to like read the verdict he was so scared that what do they call those guys? The

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former the form rain or they might say for person now for a person

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is not necessarily know what they used to say about Lawrence before you live there the school go to Laurens it's a riot, early 80s maybe years or something. There was some riots. Yeah, there was like a saying they used to say go to lunch, right?

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I didn't want to move there. And I was like, I'm not moving. I'm from Peabody. I was like, I'm not leaving Lawrence. But it's been fine. It's but but sort of the cheap rent there has sort of allowed me to explore it. Like I moved to New York for two years, without moving all of my whole life and all my stuff and everything and sort of allowed me to explore places, which is what I did with Burlington, Vermont, which is I'm trying to make that home now.

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Yeah. Where are you in Burlington?

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I am right. Like basically downtown and walk downtown. See, like a new church and I have a spot like looking at the lake I have. I have an amazing I feel like it's taken me 15 years to find this little slice of what I'm calling home. I love it. People are friendly. When you go other places outside of the Northeast, you realize how friendly people are in general, I think I think in general, at least it's more in the culture there. I think here we have like there's more of that New England saltiness. It's more introverted, like the first time I took a trip years ago and went to like a bar in California or wherever the stranger starts talking to you. You know, the PBD and me is like, what the hell is this? You know, and then you're like, oh, they're just being nice. Well, Brighton feels like that. For a place in the northeast. It feels kind of a little more open and friendly and hippie than other places. We're

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just there looking at colleges for my daughter. Nice. UTM it Yeah, and Champlain Champlain Yeah, that's beautiful. I'm from here I grew up in I grew up in Concord. I live in Carlisle now. And I saw you on a blues cruise. I don't know who you were, but the boat was packed. I'm actually surprised they even let the boat leave that it was so there's so many kids on there used to sell those tickets. This is a booze cruise or a blues cruise. Blue is called a blues cruise. Right?

Unknown Speaker 7:39

As soon as you got on a boat. It's a booze cruise. Yes. Well, I wanted it to be I always was always like, now we play concerts. I want to be listened to you know what I mean? But it's like, as soon as you got in a boat, people think they're in Cancun. And it's like, you know, a

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lot of people younger than me. It was literally packed, packed. And you had you had the full band in there, too. Yep. And you guys frickin wants to do

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those every year. Yeah. And now we graduated to a bigger boat. Oh, yeah. The province down to child bike over 900 people. I think we used to sell that one out. Yeah, those are? Those are good. We used to do those. Yeah, for many years.

Unknown Speaker 8:08

But what I liked about it after the fact, I was able to buy a CD of the actual performance from you online, which I'd never seen before. I thought that was a coolest thing. And I think you know, lucky, I think a lot of bands do it. I bought one from Wilco after the show. But I think it's a nice, really special thing for you to be able to do for your fans to have the actual concert they went to

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Yeah, you know, for years we did. We had USB drives that we would do at the show, you could just fill up the USB with that night's show all mixed all like the tracks like all separated, that we had, I used to have quite an operation going on with like, the band that I had and had an engineer who was wonderful. And we had our own soundboard. And we had this whole kind of thing going on. And yeah, I don't really have that anymore.

Unknown Speaker 8:48

So you burn the CDs that night, right?

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We didn't burn CDs, you could get it online afterwards. But then eventually we have it we had a like a thing that could rip USB drives. So we just rip 10 at a time and our percussionist we go over there right after the show. And we had like just a system in place. And we had our engineer was mixing it on a separate mix the whole time. And we would sell those at the show. That was really cool. Because you can that's when you want it. You know, you walk out of the show with the recording of the show.

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Yeah, you made me more likely to buy that then.

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Yeah, cuz you were there. And yeah, remember all the banter? All the little things about it? For sure. Yeah, we used to do that. And we did. Wait, I just lost my train of thought I just totally lost whatever it was, I had something interesting to say I'm sure you did. And now I don't.

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But that's good. It gives you a little extra motivation to make the show.

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Live streaming. I was gonna say that sorry. livestream we were kind of ahead of the curve on like, we had a write up in the New York Times business section, because we were kind of like on the edge of that, or I know what had nothing to do with me, I was the guy with the band, who was doing it. But it was really like my keyboard player. And my old engineer, Luke, like they discovered this thing we carry with us this very serious digital soundboard. And people thought we were nuts. But we had such a system in place, we would hook it up and it would save us time. And we had our all our mixes in there. And we were pretty we had a pretty serious operation going on for a while it was really concentrated Oh, kind of thing. Yeah, it was really like, and then and then you know, now everybody doesn't, you can just do it on Facebook. But it was and then we had we added video we had like we just sort of always were ahead of the curve. So

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did people try to talk you out of that saying, why are you going to live stream at nobody's going to come to the show

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a little bit. There were venues that were concerned of like, yeah, you know, like what, you know, no one's going to come to the show, if they can just watch it online on it, you know, and that's we never believe that. And we never believe it just always seems so obvious from the beginning, the sort of Grateful Dead model of like, just let people listen, we would sell our own recordings of shows and things like that, or give them away, or I'd always be prone to just like, give somebody something like rather than let them walk them walk away. I'm still like that, which is why I kind of need to stay away from the merge table because I just give stuff away. Like I take this I just don't want to see him go home without it. You know, I'd rather them have it than not, but it always seemed obvious from the people would be like, you know, at the beginning, people would be like, Oh, man, I'm sorry, I burned your CD for my girlfriend. I'm like, great. You know, it just seemed like such a no brainer. There's like great. Now there's two people listening and one you know, I remember writing printing it inside of one of the first CDs I put out like if you like this, please copy it. Give it to your friends, you know,

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and we're just supposed to do a tall heights live stream. I don't know if it actually happened.

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We did that. Yeah,

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we made a record live. Yeah, we went to this beautiful studio in Woodstock Apple head, which is where I made a couple of my first band records went back there after all these years and the tall whites had been recording there recently. And we went there and made a made a live record together in front of an audience and live streamed it. I don't know when that's coming out. They're working on it now and they're doing mixes so it should be out in a couple months, I would think but they're doing great. Tall heights tall Heights is killing it. But now tall Heights is great. I saw them at the open mic at Tommy ickes open mic at the lizard lounge a few years ago. That's great. It's an institution and I was a judge for the open mic challenge but it was like every six months they would have the because they have a winner every week. So every six months they would have the winners of the winners would all do a big battle royale against each other and tights were there. And that was the first place I saw them. I was a judge and they did not win that night. But they were they were great and I was like who are you guys and they knew who I was it was really cool and so I would like put them on as an opener when I could or and we started collaborating and it was their idea to cover fast car by Tracy Chapman who got a fast car

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I want to take a few anyway maybe we make a day maybe together we can get some way any places better starting from zero got nothing to lose. Maybe you will make something me myself I got nothing to prove

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you got a scar I got a plan get us out of here then look at that I can be in store manager save a bit of money won't as a job to follow cross border and into the city. You

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see what it means?

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Yeah, so I was listening to fast car on the way over I do not have a fast car I have a Toyota Prius nice. I was driving over tonight and since our is another very sense of Geez,

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Lou, big data. I love my jeep but I was

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listening to that song and I was really amazed in the first first how you sound you know so you can sound so much like Tracy Chapman like it was like it was really great. And it brought me back but then I was wondering all the people listening to the song now how many of them know the original song you know, because I you know, I grew up knowing the Tracy Chapman song, but I don't hear it a lot on radio now. So I wonder how many people are being introduced to the song through your version with the heights and are now going back and learning about the original. And I was just thinking about the way music and art can be cyclical like that, like for sure, discover something new and then go back to find the original.

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I heard something on the radio today. And it was it was a new song. But the bad backing tracks centered exactly like Heart of Glass by Blondie. Not really The track was great and it was super high energy felt good. It was like kind of a disco beat you know, but it was awesome, but it's that thing it's like you wonder if you haven't heard that Blondie track and you just hear this new track it's the greatest when I was growing up it was like that with hip hop It was like I had never really sampling and all that Yeah, I'd never dug into James Brown and P funk and stuff but the first time I heard it was on an ice cube track or Tribe Called Quest track or something and I was like what this is amazing music and it is it is in its own way they they did something else for flattery. Yeah, I think Bruno Mars does a really good job with that now he you know, one song sounds like a police song and one sounds really like a prince song or a Michael Jackson. And they do it really, really well. And it's got its own thing and it's got a vibrancy to it. So it's not just a straight rip off, but it would not exist without those influence. Direct influences. I think you can hear that a lot of pop music now. It's like direct.

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I like people doing covers, especially because they they can do a different take on it. Hmm. You know, MarcaRelli

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I just listened to the podcast with him. Okay, here so so so yeah, he did the mixtape be sitting in the spot where? That That's right. Yes. But yeah, he has that record full of covers. Yeah.

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Which is great. They did him all his own way. It's a way to not only introduce people who may have who never heard the songs. I mean, against all odds. I don't know how many kids nowadays know that song at all. But you know, us being men of the 80s I love that song. Yeah, it's great song. So like, as may not know,

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I like Phil Collins and I'm not ashamed to say it now.

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Yeah. Because I hear Ron's a huge. I heard him on that thing. Yeah, totally.

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Yeah. Yeah. It's like, I get it. I remember this is great. There was an episode of South Park where they're like,

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Phil Collins sucks ass.

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It's become like this fact, of like, well, he's just lame. And it's like, well, all that stuff is cyclical. And then somebody becomes cool again. You realize how great they were? Exactly. I don't know. I think guys awesome. Tracks are so undeniable. It's like yeah, you don't have to you don't have to like them. I get it. They later I think

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part of it was that he was so everywhere when he came when he had his hits. Yeah, he was on nine out of 10 songs. He was

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Yeah, he was anybody like that is just going to be hated reading section. But we saw

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him in in London and talk to Leland Sklar and Leland Sklar. He's like a huge Phil Collins fan. Yeah. I tell you the concert was amazing. Amazing.

Unknown Speaker 16:17

Yeah, I'm sure it was. But yeah, covers I think like, even when you try to do something like the original, it comes out differently. That's the history of music itself. It's like, you know, Robert Plant was like trying to sound like an old soul singer or something. And it just came out sounding like Robert Plant. And then they were trying to play old blues tunes. And it came out sounding like Led Zeppelin, or whatever. You know, I mean, just like, that's what the evolution of music is, is sort of trying to do one thing and having it almost by accident come out a different way. Yeah. Like I had a song I still play called honeymoon is that I wrote 15 years ago or more. I don't know, at the time, I was just trying to do Martin Sexton. And I think in my mind, I thought it sounded like Martin Sexton, you know, but now, I realized why that's condescending, anything like that. However, I pictured playing those chords and something about it. In my mind. I was like, yeah, this is like, exactly what I'm listening to. And it's like, no, but it came out as me for better for worse me that one has stuck with me. There's probably 10 more that I don't still play that came from that time. But I don't know.

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When I first started writing. I was listening to a lot of David gray. And so all the rhythms that I was coming out with, were very David grayish. And to this day, I get made fun of like, listening to David, Greg and I talked about jack Yeah, but yeah. But now that you listen to it later on, yeah, even though you're just inspired by him.

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Well, now I know, too. It's like you sort of grow to a point where you sort of flying blind I think in the beginning it for a good way. It's a system some kind of blind ambition, or you think you sound a certain way and you don't, but if you just keep doing stuff, I mean, I think good things can happen. I mean, and but now, I mean, it's like I've toured with Martin Sexton now, I've been his band, my band was his backup band in 2010. And he produced my record, and I and I, honestly, in a weird way, I honestly feel like my last record, I sort of finally maybe caught up to some version of that something that might be on a shelf with my hero. You know, it's something like it took me 15 years, but maybe now I'm really kind of starting to Clough that and it's always me, it's all different, you know what I mean? But for whatever it's worth, I feel like I don't know, you have to evolve into the thing that you that you actually think you are.

Unknown Speaker 18:20

Yeah. So I wonder at this point in your career, I was reading the book about Andy Partridge from XTC recently a series of interviews with him and he was talking about songwriting and how he never throw anything away. And he writes everything down. He keeps I love XTC, he keeps all all the notebooks, everything and then because he's like, you never know when you're might be this, you know, they'll reuse things. So I wonder who you've been writing songs for a long time how much you go back, you know, and pull up an idea, or a lyric, you know, from an old song that you never,

Unknown Speaker 18:45

I definitely never throw things away, which is sometimes a hindrance, because I don't have this, like, I'll keep a file on a song. If I do it. Sometimes some notebooks. Lots of times it's on the computer, and I keep a file. I mean, some of the songs I've finished that have been on records, I have 15 pages lyrics written, that things I tried that just didn't work. And yeah, I never, I never throw anything away. And I keep like an ongoing, I have like the Notes app and my iPhone is full of song ideas, the voice memo app is full of hundreds of ideas, probably. And I never throw them out. It's just it's an ongoing process, I write little by little, and I take something out or I think of like a song, that idea that I thought of, it could be years ago, that I just keep sort of slowly evolving in my mind. And while I'm driving, I'll think of it and I'll work out I'll work through a verse and just maybe get one good line from that. And then I don't think of it again for several months or something. And then it comes back and I work it out again, while I'm driving. So everything it's like I'm I'm sort of constantly writing little by little and very seldom in my like, sitting down and finishing a whole song at once. You know, it's just sort of constantly just sort of chipping away.

Unknown Speaker 19:49

And are there moments where you have like a missing piece like you know, I need something and then you go back to the notebook and say, you know, this would fit in? Well, here is that not really how it works?

Unknown Speaker 19:57

Well, I think like I forget, I mean, I have to keep those recordings and those notes because I forget what I wrote, I do get pleasantly surprised like, Oh, that's pretty good. You know? Wow, that's all right. Yeah, there's a lot of ideas in there. And I don't throw them out for for those reasons, keeping it organized. And really going through all those old notebooks and stuff. Like that's a whole other thing that I don't really keep up with

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a euro guy goes in and says I'm gonna take an hour a day or however long and I have like

Unknown Speaker 20:21

only when I'm like under a deadline. You know, like I do this last record I made I was like I had it was similar to what I'm talking about. I had some ideas that were finished, I had a lot of ideas that were not finished. And I was like, I knew I had to finish them.

Unknown Speaker 20:32

So I was just leaving one. Yeah,

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I was just leaving. So I was like I'm going to write every day for this month or two months, or whatever it wasn't until the session was and I did that. And in by doing that it made me finish those songs. And it's also that's how I came up with the title track because I was writing so much that I took a break from really trying it just it's hard for me to write songs. It's not they rarely come out easily. You know, I kind of work away, I started like the sort of Leonard Cohen, kind of Paul Simon method of like, those guys wrestled with songs for years. And sometimes you win. And sometimes the song beats you and you don't get it, you know what I mean? But more often, like, I feel like for me, that's what the process is. It's I know and aligns right, and when it isn't, and there's a pretty strict sort of, you know, it's I can't just sort of blurt something out and be like, Oh, that's done. But I think there's a thing too, I like I think I mean, I think that's a real process of like, it's not right until it's right for that session, I was writing every day, and trying to finish these tunes. And then I had a dream one night, I was like I was with some other people and I was like about to walk through this window from the outside of this house or something. And I heard playing in the distance like on speakers, I heard Bryan Adams singing the chorus of my song where it became my song. And in the dream, I was like, that's a pretty good chorus, I gotta write that down. And I like went to grab a pencil. And then I woke up. And then I was like, that was a good chorus. I got that down. And I just recorded it in my iPhone. And I've done this over the years. Like I always hear about people coming up with a song and a dream or something. And I would always try to do it. Like I would get stuff in a dream. And it happened so many times and I would wake up in the morning and without fail. It was crap. Whatever I had dreamt was not good. It was not the Keith Richards satisfaction moment. It was just shitty. But this time I got a good chorus. And then so when I was writing all the songs, I was putting in all these hours like trying to finish all the songs and I took a break from that and then I'd already had this chorus that I dreamt and then the the verses to I was just leaving just pour it out. It was like it was nothing, which is a rare thing for me.

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You guys help Brian as with that? I know.

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Yeah. Does he

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tell many people that now he does know? Ryan's doing fine, I think right? Yeah, sure. He's another guy cuts like a knife. Come on. That's a great song.

Unknown Speaker 22:45

He had a ton of hits back then. So many if he came to Boston, I would totally go see him. But he puts in it

Unknown Speaker 22:50

but then it's like there was another thing is like the tunes got softer. And then he was doing everything. I do a soundtrack and everybody was like all right enough. You still

Unknown Speaker 23:00

cuts like a knife is a great song.

Unknown Speaker 23:01

I love that song. Yeah.

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69 I think when you dream it's always Pete Brian. About your dream. It's not the

Unknown Speaker 23:10

timeless he's Yeah, he's he's ageless.

Unknown Speaker 23:12

You mentioned Paul Simon. That reminded me I was listening to stages volume to the song Duncan came on. And that was one that like surprised me because like, it took me a while to realize it was a cover. You know, I was listening to it. I was like, Oh, this is a great tune. I like this. I was like wait a minute. I've heard those lyrics. Yeah. I had to look it up. It's like we were talking about with samples before you know when you listen to hip hop song and you like you don't know the origin song and then all of a sudden like it takes you by surprise when you're listening to an old soul song so it's fun when cover sort of surprise you you know like fast car I know right away obviously what that is, but if it's something like Duncan that maybe I don't know, as well.

Unknown Speaker 23:44

He's on this last tour. I know.

Unknown Speaker 23:45

It's crazy. Does he everything to you and your dreams. Now,

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now, now just Brian. Man,

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the South is a South Park episode.

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Sir. Cartman

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I can't really picture. I picked him like off in the distance. You know, like I

Unknown Speaker 24:02

was like you I hear the speakers in the stores something and I was just and I heard Bryan Adams going. I was just leaving leaving. I get here. I'm doing that. And I'm

Unknown Speaker 24:10

surprised you actually could remember even when you woke up?

Unknown Speaker 24:12

Well, I woke up like right away. I was in the dream being like, that's a good chorus and I immediately woke up and I was like, that was a good cars. And so and I recorded it and then I went back to sleep and didn't remember it. And I still have the voice memo of like, Really? I probably got it man. I could find it. It's in here somewhere. It's like me mumbling you know, half

Unknown Speaker 24:30

asleep. Did you intro it? Did you say like Star day? 29?

Unknown Speaker 24:35

No, I was. I mean, I was I was sleeping. So it's like, you know, just like, started what I'll

Unknown Speaker 24:40

do sometimes when I'm running, or I might side I'll think of a little tune or I'm in my car. I'll just whistle it or hum it. So I've got a lot of these really bad recordings of me humming or singing or whistling into my into my iPhone. so far. I'm like, I'm over 90.

Unknown Speaker 24:58

I gotta keep trying.

Unknown Speaker 25:00

I should probably play all the bad ones. They stick to the humming whistle it never sounds like it sounds in your head.

Unknown Speaker 25:06

Maybe. Maybe it's my bro. And I'd be one for 91 if I pumped

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I just want to apologize to all the Trekkies and listening out there I shouldn't have said star date without knowing a realistic number to say like I started the star day and then I knew I couldn't finish it and I threw out a number that's probably not going to work company in the series would no no. But with the listeners, you know, I'm sure there's a Trekkies out there that are gonna send you email.

Unknown Speaker 25:28

Remember that episode. William Shatner was on Sunday live? And he goes to a Yeah,

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he goes just start saying yes, I do remember that. I'm like, Yeah, that's great.

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Are you are you girlfriend haven't had a girlfriend?

Unknown Speaker 25:40

yet? That was classic. It was class. Yeah, I feel like with the old SNL, there's a lot of those where you can be like, you remember that? And you do remember, and we all remember it. But I like I feel I don't know if that's the case

Unknown Speaker 25:48

anymore. I didn't watch

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a lot of bifurcation of TV and watch at the same time streaming

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by freaking bifurcation. I

Unknown Speaker 25:57

did write that one down for us. I can't

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find that.

Unknown Speaker 26:02

There's some great story about

Unknown Speaker 26:03

the Yes, darling album that you did with with Haley. Haley. Jane. Right is really interesting, because it's a story. It's a relationship between you and Haley. It's almost like a musical. Almost. And yeah, for sure. It's I'm even in the Patreon Was it a Patreon? One was a Kickstarter,

Unknown Speaker 26:21

video, pledge music, pledge music,

Unknown Speaker 26:23

you know, you act out your acting, it's it's Yeah, I mean, it could be a play.

Unknown Speaker 26:27

I think now, I mean, we didn't sort of start out with that intention. But now I think the intention with that project is to turn it into a play. I think we really want to just sort of keep fleshing out this show, because it's just kind of made for that the songs even follow a narrative and we get dressed up and we play ourselves. But we are playing so what we're sort of intentionally trying to blur the lines of what is real and what isn't. Because there's a lot of stuff in the songs that are real, that involve me and her. There's a lot of stuff that is not that has nothing to do with us that we draw an old relationships or whatever it is, and we're sort of like trying to blur all those lines.

Unknown Speaker 26:59

You can't alibi Oh,

Unknown Speaker 27:01

it's good. Good. That's what that's what we're going for. But I really think it's a thing. I mean, I think we made a serious record there. And I still feel like it I had this really strong feeling like just more people need to listen to it. I don't usually get that, you know, you always want people to listen to your records. But it's not just a collection of songs. It's got a thing. It's got a unit you know, it's a it's an act. It's a collective voice. Yeah, it's not like if you come to a Yes, darling show, it's not a Ryan wobbly show, or a Haley Jane show. It's a Yes, darling show. And we have we're sort of in character and we play the songs that we wrote, I think it's a great idea to

Unknown Speaker 27:31

take that into musical I really do.

Unknown Speaker 27:33

I think it could totally work and people and everybody says that and now you know, now everyone's like, you just make this a musical more like, yeah, we gotcha. So I don't, we're just trying to figure out how to do that I think we're going to start with, we have gigs, you know, so we're going to like just keep sort of fleshing out the show. Part of the show is like we're we have pretty good timing with each other, we have pretty good like improv, and we really mess with each other. And, and there's a real dynamic there. I mean, for some of those videos that we made for the pledge campaign, like we would just take whatever we were really fighting about, and just make a video about that. For whatever reason, that dynamic works with us. We take in a kernel of some kind of truth that is really going on with us and we can kind of stretch it and make it this entertaining thing. But you said it's it's improvised, right? Like it's not scripted, you're taking something that Yeah, there's a lot of improv. We want to script things a little more, we have certain things, we have certain gags that we do, you know, and there's certain ones that we put on the record. So there's like, you know, we now that people have the record, we know we have to change those and stuff. But there's a lot of improv like, there's a lot of in the moment, a lot of Yes, and a lot of us kind of just messing with each other live

Unknown Speaker 28:32

did it start off that way, the collaboration that we did with her or did it kind of just morphed into that but actually it kind of quickly developed

Unknown Speaker 28:39

we didn't really we didn't really know we just got together to do a co writing session at the house and Lauren's the first song we wrote is the first song in the record it's called so wrong and involves like real things between me and her and then a real just kind of wondering in general about what's going on unreal, just kind of generalizing relationships to it was like, sort of everything was in there. And once it was like the real personal in the Gen and it just worked. And then I think the second song we wrote was misplaced anger, which is like I love you. I want to punch your lips and punch you in the face. Yeah, which taken out of context that's pretty terrible, but it's not somebody was like Ryan, I don't know. I can't support a song about punching someone in the face. And I'm like, it's not about punching someone in the face. It's about wanting to punch someone in the face which is totally different. I love you. I want to kiss your lips and punch you in the face. I

Unknown Speaker 29:26

don't see why we can't both be your fear anger here spring respray.

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punch you in the face.

Unknown Speaker 29:41

Sorry for the day I said you're sounding like your mom again. You know, I love you squawking in my ear.

Unknown Speaker 29:49

squawking in your ear. You say take your songs and go away that you say anything.

Unknown Speaker 29:56

I'm sorry, you've been here at home while I'm away and no road. Maybe we could fly you out for New York. Well, he was playing a man you never come to see my band. Good thing I already paid.

Unknown Speaker 30:12

I paid the god damn.

Unknown Speaker 30:20

It's about wanting to punch your significant other in the face. But not really. It's not about violence, not really doing it. Right, which I get. It's almost like I shouldn't even talk about it. You just have to kind of hear the vibe of the song.

Unknown Speaker 30:29

You had the rapport with her. I mean, she's amazing. So she's totally charming. And both you together. I mean, it's a thing. It's a thing.

Unknown Speaker 30:37

Yeah. And that quickly developed once we had that second song was like, I love you, I want to kiss your lips and punch you in the face. And we sort of had just had an easy rapport with it. I didn't realize till those sessions What a great writer she was, it sort of quickly started working with her, we really push each other in the right way. And we have I've never been a part of something that was so quickly like a dynamic, we can really sort of draw on like general themes of male female roles and really relationships and all kinds of stuff. And I think it's, I think especially for couples, but almost like for anyone who's ever been in relationship, there's a ton of stuff on that record. That's like true, and I think not cliche. I think we have this kind of fresh take on it cuz we're pretty vulgar. We're pretty like five of those tracks that are we had to mark as explicit. Yep, I bought this stuff. There's like, you know, I've had friends be like, you know, my kids are asking me what those words are. You know, we're not holding back I think we did it from a you know, which I have a career I have my band I have things going on. I'm that's going really well. She has her thing. She's a few years like before, like she has she's she's still grinding it out on the road, kind of more like I was 510 years ago, but she's like very much doing it. She's fine. She's doing great. Yeah, so this thing is just like, there's no pressure. It's like, you know, we can tell we hit on something. If we if we start rolling with laughter in the in while we're writing it. And then we keep that, you know, if we feel like dropping an F bomb, we're going to do it, you know, but not unnecessarily. Yeah, that's Yes, darling.

Unknown Speaker 31:57

You have the city winery thing coming up? Is that going to be a kind of rehearsal? Is each progressive performance going to be built upon to eventually? Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 32:06

I think in waves, you know what I mean? Like we had, like, we just started this thing, really, we had our first shows that were just us in February. And those were great. The end of that month, we did some shows with the darling opening up for my band. I didn't know how that was going to go. I was like, I don't know how much I want to mix this thing. And essentially, I'm opening for myself, which is just weird. Like, why don't you know? And those were great. It was like, twice it had this really? Yeah, yeah. Somebody said that too. And I'm like, now actually, I'm like, I'm basically doing twice the work so that I can pay more people more money out of the money I would have made. But whatever, it's still great. It's kind of cool now because it's still so raw. And a lot of people haven't heard a lot of the stuff that it's still in this really nice stage of like seeing the thing, and it's most raw form. And it's going to keep building up from here. And we have a little stage set, you know, table lamp a little bit. We're starting to, you know, we're like starting small, but it's like it's something and we have these little talkback mics we use and we kind of like talk back to each other. And I could tell it's going to just sort of keep building

Unknown Speaker 33:03

sounds like now's the time to see it. You're getting on the ground.

Unknown Speaker 33:06

I think so I think it's a really special thing. Rounds from here. Yeah, there's just a lot of power in it. No, I think that'll continue. But I think it's just going to keep getting better. That's great. I'm

Unknown Speaker 33:14

sold.

Unknown Speaker 33:14

Nice. That's a nice city wineries a nice place to do it, too.

Unknown Speaker 33:17

I haven't been there. I played many other city wineries and many other towns, but I haven't done the one in Boston.

Unknown Speaker 33:22

I it's the only one I've ate at the city winery in New York. But I never seen the stage. But this is very much like a theater. It's Yeah, it's like a dinner theater. Theater vibe.

Unknown Speaker 33:32

There's cushy gigs to they take care of you.

Unknown Speaker 33:34

Oh yeah. Well, it's a nice job there. And

Unknown Speaker 33:36

yeah, I'm sure they always do. I met that owner Shlomo and stuff. And yeah, just they just they always know what they're doing.

Unknown Speaker 33:42

So Ryan, I was listening to some of your music today. I'm a software engineer, I have the advantage of being able to just listen to music while I'm writing code all day. So my dog and I can listen to music. So the one sign that get kept getting in my head was eggs. Patients on Friday, very fun song. So I have a multiple choice question for you about that song. Because I heard it and it was reminding me of something. And I realized it was the Jimmy Buffett song cheeseburger and paradise. So the multiple choice question is a is it somehow related to or inspired by that be? Are they both related to or inspired by some shared tradition or see none of the above? It's just a random connection that I'm CC Alright. Nothing to do with Jimmy but I thought that was the most likely remember true

Unknown Speaker 34:20

story with that is like I wrote that on on an acid hangover in Colorado years ago, I was still awake. They were cooking breakfast in the kitchen, and I was still up. And yeah, I just wrote that song.

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scramble. scramble. scramble.

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scramble, scramble. scramble.

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And I'd studied some gypsy jazz. You know, my friend Stefan. Ron Bell is brilliant gypsy jazz player. And he, I used to take lessons from him. And he's still a good friend of mine and teacher and he I sang with him at Carnegie Hall last year. It's like that keeps blossoming. Yeah, I think the style kind of came from more of that. And he's on that track. The Jazz. Yeah, style is actually on that track. And so but yeah, it's funny people, people always ask for that song. Yeah, it's catchy. It's cool. But it's like a fun song in which is you can't ever sort of beat but I just always thought it was funny because I spent so much time trying to pour out my most inner emotions and my deep dark sides and just plunge the depths of my soul. And then you have a song called, I wrote a song called eggs and people go to the show, they go eggs play eggs, like, all right, there you go.

Unknown Speaker 35:32

But it's fun. I like playing it. That's the challenge as an artist is you never know what the fans are gonna read. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 35:36

it's not up. Sometimes it's the thing. You don't choose, you can choose you that old thing.

Unknown Speaker 35:41

Yeah, I'll reference the Andy Partridge book again. And he talks about how he hates all the early songs. Because they were just inspired by like, some stupid comic book he read. And like, wouldn't it be cool to have like, a rocket ship, you know, with something or other and then you sang a song about that. And it was like, had no meaning. And then as he aged and like had life experiences, you know, he could write real lyrics and real songs. And that's the one you people wanted people to like, but then when people like the older songs didn't quite get Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 36:07

it seems to be that way. For a lot of people. I know Paul Simon had to think about that, where he was like, you know, a lot of those songs. He I mean, he's been writing hits since he was a teenager, a lot of those Simon and Garfunkel songs that everybody still wants to hear. He was young in his 20s, early 20s, you know, and he's like, I wrote those things. But he still wants to be relevant, relevant, but his I mean, he is I think he is, but like that album, so beautiful. So what did he put out a few years ago? It's incredible. I think it's as good as anything he's ever done. But people want to hear Cecilia, you know, what are you gonna do? It's a good problem to have

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Xiaomi your

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Tell me your name?

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Tell me Just tell me.

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Santa sunshine.

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loving you.

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My mom tried to

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just don't tell me

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got better things to

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talk about nothing short of spectacular

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moment

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that I lay my eyes upon you

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live

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rolling only in the

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sense sample crazy. But I do believe I'm falling in love.

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Man. You

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know, I spent my day to day in the house and Lawrence I gotta clear out all this stuff from the attic cuz I gotta move out of the house. You

Unknown Speaker 37:59

still got you? You still gotta pack up your own stuff part of

Unknown Speaker 38:01

Oh, sure. I got no, I'm 40 years old. I'm single. I have no kids. I'm trying to keep two plants alive up in Burlington, Vermont, not doing a very good job at it. I have, like maybe 600 still in the shrink wrap DVDs of a thing we put out in 2010 in the attic. And I'm like, no one's ever going to buy these at one of the major recycling places in the country, nowadays, and no one's going to buy them in the recycling place wouldn't take them until they're separated. So what I was doing before I came here, was opening up full boxes of 100 DVDs each taking the shrink wrap off putting it in one bag, taking the CD off putting it in a pile taking the paper out putting in a pile taking the taking the like over and over and over. Whatever it was,

Unknown Speaker 38:41

yeah, you should just give me a give away stuff.

Unknown Speaker 38:45

Believe me, I still have some people can have them if they want them. But there were so many. And it's like, just I don't know,

Unknown Speaker 38:50

it's just a little purging for you.

Unknown Speaker 38:52

In a way I was thinking about this because I was thinking about your podcast while I was doing that. I was like, What the hell am I gonna talk about tonight? I mean, here I am talking about the goddamn DVD. It's almost like a good metaphor for me. Because my whole career has been like, if you want a career, go get one like go I would just go do the open mic and the Berlin open mic every single week and drive in from Peabody and do it and then I would take every crap bar gig I could get I played the TGI Fridays and Peabody, I played the Starbucks on Boylston Street in Boston, I would just whatever. And then I was scrubbing the bars at the House of Blues or hosting or selling t shirts or whatever. And then I would get like a real show there, like a matinee or something. When I came home with a stupid box of DVDs today that the recycling guy wouldn't take, it's like, I probably could find somebody to help me do that. It's probably more sane to be like, I find give that job to somebody else. I don't know if it's because I do things the hard way. But for me, it's just like, we'll just go do the work. Just go like right now. I was like, all right, I got two hours before I have to leave for this podcast. Let me see how many boxes I can go through. And I did that. I mean, I needed college to figure that out. You know, I needed like, I didn't know, you know, like, I had no idea I was I was you know, I got out of like Peabody high class and 95. And we were sort of pushed towards engineering in the classes I was in it was like, well, you can got a good job, you can make money. So I went in a chemical engineering major,

Unknown Speaker 40:03

but you'd play guitar. Before that.

Unknown Speaker 40:04

I had played guitar. Yeah, I had guitar since I was eight. But I would pick it up, put it down. But I mean, it wasn't like I never took it seriously never really practiced it have bands in high school. No, nothing in high school, nothing like that. I just kind of had a guitar around. And once in a while, I would pick it up, but really nothing. But then I went away to Villanova and I got super depressed and I was away from home. And I was listening to the blues. And then like in smoking a lot of pot all of a sudden, sort of and then trying psychedelics for the first time and things and I just kind of things were I was like, super sad. And and the guitar just made sense. And I just all I wanted to do is play guitar. So when I went to college, I played and played and played and then I switch to the business school. And that wasn't quite right. And then my last two years, I was an English major. And so I was studying this, like Yeats and all this serious poetry and writing my own poetry the whole time, and just like weeping and playing guitar, and then I started to sing my senior year, and then you're graduating, and everybody's like, what are you going to do? That's what everybody asked, you know, and then I was like, I think I want to make music. So I came with my parents like, what? So I came home, live with them and peace for another four years. I was like, I didn't start figuring it out until that point of like, Well, how do you do that? And that's why I got a job at the Old House of Blues and Harvard Square.

Unknown Speaker 41:07

Right? That's when you started playing there.

Unknown Speaker 41:09

Yeah. And I started selling tickets like it was they taught me it was seven nights a week of like, these bands coming in from all over the world, basically, and playing a small club, which I didn't know it was a reality Really? Until then. Not really, you know, so. So I sort of learned a lot there. And then I've been grinding it out ever since.

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Since about the day I was gone.

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Having stone

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Dokdo the

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people who are not but they see

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my cell phone and game with me. Now

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mama when you send me down slow,

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calm my nerves ease my mind NDPBT then you show me what to be

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in my life.

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When I see the bad side of you

Unknown Speaker 42:21

you had a kind of come to the truth last year, right where you lost your manager. Your relationship isn't something that you talked about it before a million times, I'm sure but you had to kind of do something different. Which you did. You did the more mellow album that you did. I was just leaving. And now you're doing something totally one at

Unknown Speaker 42:40

the bit. Yeah, yes, darling.

Unknown Speaker 42:41

Yeah. Which is and it's even though it's like, I'm gonna punch in the face. It's still it's still like happy.

Unknown Speaker 42:47

No, it's got a vibrancy to it. So

Unknown Speaker 42:49

yeah, it's a very good good word. I like that. It's got a vibrancy for it. So you know, you've just kept on plugging away and metaphor ripping up all those old CDs good metaphor, you separate it's a trip

Unknown Speaker 43:01

man. I'm looking at this thing of like, God, we work so hard to make this and I'm literally it's like, it was enough for me to like bring them all in boxes to the goddamn recycling place and be like, wow, this is a pretty big deal for me. And then they sent me home with them. And now I have to open each individual one and take them apart. And there's a lot of that going through my house. There's just years of stuff. I never dealt with like old equipment and I spent my life on the road you know, and I still am trying to figure out what home is and what I have all these remnants of all that stuff. Yeah, it's a trip. I tell people you know, it hasn't killed me yet. So it's like, I'm still going excellent. You know, everybody has their shit they have to deal with and this is not a very stable lifestyle, but it's like man, I make a living. It's good. A few years ago, I hit a point where it's felt like okay, I have a career and it's not going away where it's for years we're just kind of chasing that you're like trying to build and build and build something and then it hit it finally hit a point where I was like, Okay, if I don't get back to Ohio tomorrow, they're still going to come out so now it's just like okay trying to find some underlying piece trying to figure out where my home is what you know, am I going to have kids someday my it's getting weird all my friends have like houses and three kids and it will set for the musicians as crazy as I am. You know, I don't know just making peace with this. I've spent my 10,000 hours on the road and learning how to give performances and I've spent so little time compared to that making recordings being a recording artist. So it's like I still have a long way to go to figure out how to make better and better records but I have all these roots from the seeds I planted over the years and people who are listening

Unknown Speaker 44:27

is that a goal for you to be more of a studio musician and

Unknown Speaker 44:30

I think so more of it you know i mean I'll always play live I'm I still do I bought you know, I don't do as many long tours now but I'm constantly bouncing around. I'm always going to play live but yeah, I want to like explore the art form more.

Unknown Speaker 44:42

I'll see you and we'll see on Broadway man. And I want to do that too. I

Unknown Speaker 44:45

want to know first city winery and then go see it on Broadway and compare it.

Unknown Speaker 44:48

I want to see you on Broadway. Jonathan Brooks. I want that to happen. She did she's doing a musical about her motherly Yeah, it's called my mother has four noses. Wow. And she's got a one woman show and she's around the country with it. Amazing. It's amazing.

Unknown Speaker 45:01

Sandra Ellis has waitress right?

Unknown Speaker 45:02

Yeah, whoever else and she does it with Jason Mirage who was doing it with him on Broadway so that's that's the next step man me jesus christ superstar.

Unknown Speaker 45:09

Yeah, there's a market for that. You know, there's all these musicals that are based on just the catalogue of an artist you know people yeah, a lot of different kinds of music. That's not necessarily showtunes.

Unknown Speaker 45:18

Yes, darling. is a runway show I honestly believe Yes. Darling has like tons of potential more than probably my own thing that I've been plugging away to see it on a playbill. Yes,

Unknown Speaker 45:28

darling. See, it really resonates with people.

Unknown Speaker 45:31

Yeah, well I wish you the best of luck with that. I think it's really great and hopefully you can get tickets to this thing on the city winery. I hope it's not sold out because this old is not so I don't think it's all I mean, I hope it's all good but I know a guy you know a guy yeah. And I also want to buy some CDs but I want everything separated into its own type of you know what the plastic over here and the CD over here so

Unknown Speaker 45:51

we have separate together your own DVD. Yeah, I can do it. I know exactly how they're constructed.

Unknown Speaker 45:56

Can you play a couple songs?

Unknown Speaker 45:57

sure if I can use your guitar you can lands in the shop I'll do two songs I'll show you I'll do a fun Yes darling song first and then I'll do a nice sad rhyme on blue song after that to show you where I'm coming from.

Unknown Speaker 46:11

But yeah, this is a Yes darling song is called call your mother.

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Call your mother she is getting worried. She had not heard from you. Tell her you love her. Just don't tell her everything you do.

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Don't tell us about how scared you were when you were driving home. Through the snow. Don't tell about the older man you're getting to know

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Don't tell me about all the drinks you had.

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And all the excess side ZM not get

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made me leave out the part about the birth control. You keep forgetting. Don't tell about the things you said to Koo Suzette to Ghana in your bed. Don't tell about the drugs that you tried to steal. But tell about the way they made you. Call your mother she is getting worried. She had not heard from you. Or you love her Just don't tell her everything you do.

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Don't tell about how much it burns you

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sometimes

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when you pee

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don't tell about your night truth so

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don't tell about the morning after the wake and bake laugh your pants. Does drinking in the midday. Every day is my birthday. stumbling down the hallway pumping in the driveway. Don't tell about the things you said. In yo don't tell about the three something that you had in the field. But tell us about the way made you

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call your mother she get she had not heard from you.

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Taylor you love her Just don't tell her everything Do

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you love her? Just don't tell her everything you do

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call you father to thank you

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my mother less I played that for my mother up in Maine she was visiting up north and she cried tears of happiness at first because you just heard call your mother at the song and she didn't really listen to the verses so much at first then she was kind of like what she was this guy get see her face like a threesome like what you know but she loves it she's she's good yeah cool now bummed me out. Yeah you know takes all kinds of songs but this is the last song I wrote this isn't on anything. I thought this might be nice. This is called Looking Glass. I spent so much time looking at my damn iPhone. As most people do, I think this is sorry about that. But that's called Looking Glass.

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I would have cold a game but

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what if you didn't

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but like the times I've called before.

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I know you read john when you

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put all your daily chores to bed. And when your heart and your brain is in racing and MIMO busy people in Berlin saying take a look up from your king bless. When Uk R would have move your way. You never would have asked me to. We never put each other out we just put each other along.

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So lucky you are my man

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right here inside my Looking Glass.

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From how I see myself and the

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busy people in number news.

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Say go look a from your king last when

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I would have given you my last

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10 silver pennies photo fi UV magic imaginary you call to tell me that I'm not alone. You right to show me you can reach my home. You mean to tell me that you know this time we're

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busy people

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say go look up from your king less when

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Oh take it when your call comes in.

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RC it and listen to it after

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call you back when I'm feeling good and busy people in the Marine say take a look up from your king legs when

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busy people in number names

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take from your game.

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When

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UK

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Ryan's a really great guy and we'll miss him as he heads up to live in Burlington, Vermont. Be sure to ask him to take apart any studio you buy from him. He will appreciate it. See where he is playing and by his preassembled CDs at Ryan month. blue.com and you definitely need to catch Ryan and Haley as Yes darling when they come to your town. You can get their music and see their schedule at Yes darling music.com go to above the basement calm you can join us on Patreon. Sign up for our newsletter list and subscribe to our podcast like our Facebook page. Follow us on Twitter and look at all the nice pictures we post on Instagram. We are everywhere. On behalf of Ronnie Ike and myself. Thanks for listening. Tell your friends and remember Boston music like its history is unique.

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