Episode 143 - Matt York

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recorded September 15, 2019
published October 16, 2019

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We finally got a chance to talk with singer Songwriter and Boston native Matt York!

Matt has been in the Boston music scene for quite a while now. After stepping away from music to become a secret agent and family man, Matt jumped back into music and has been quite prolific, hitting the road often to perform and also release a few critically acclaimed albums, including Boston, Texas, Between The Bars and just this month his latest album Bruisable Heart.

Right before we got the chance to see him play at the Lizard Lounge in Cambridge with his talented wife on bass for his CD release, we sat with him at Adelita’s restaurant in West Concord, Mass for a chat while the commuter rail would occasionally scream by us. We talk about his new album, his influences, the Boston music scene and the dangers of mosquitoes.

Photos: Joe Wallace Photography

Show Notes

Chuck Clough 0:00 Hello, this is Chuck from Above the Basement Boston music and conversation. Hey, we have missed you all so much and hope to get back on a regular schedule. We are still working out some new projects and we will tell you about those very soon. But one thing we can tell you about something we are honored and excited to announce we have been nominated for a Boston Music Award for the 2019 Podcast of the Year and since I have personally never won a thing in my life, never mind a cool trophy. We would love for you to vote for us, or honestly whatever podcast you like and support as well as for you to vote for one of the many talented Boston artists nominated in their categories.

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This time around we finally got a chance to talk with singer-songwriter and Boston native, Matt York. Matt has been in the Boston music scene for quite a while now after stepping away from music to become a secret agent and family man Matt jumped back into music and has been quite prolific hitting the road often to perform and also released a few critically acclaimed albums, including Boston, Texas Between The Bars and just this month, his latest album Bruisable Heart. Right before we got a chance to see him play at lizard lounge and Cambridge with his talented wife on base for his CD release, we sat with him at Adelita's, his restaurant in West Concord, Massachusetts for a chat while the commuter rail would occasionally scream by us. We talked about his new album, his influences, the Boston music scene, and the dangers of mosquitoes.

So here is our conversation with Matt York, recorded at Adelitas in West Concord, Massachusetts.

Chuck They made bottled water illegal in Concord. It was like a big deal they have

Matt York 1:55 Is Concord the town where they were talking about repealing it after they do cuz everybody saw like what a pain in the ass it was?

Chuck Clough 2:02 I don't know maybe

Matt York 2:03 It was a town do that I was just reading about in the Globe those that are trying to undo what they did because...

Chuck Clough 2:09 Look I'm all for not using plastic bottles, but you can't make it illegal to use a totally legal product that way. What they should have done, is done a PSA to get people to get the stores to use give them the incentive to use this instead of making it illegal...

And you can have plastic bottles for Coke and Pepsi. Yeah, it's just water bottled water. But you know, I mean, you know, we got over the hump and it's not really that big a deal anymore.

Matt York 2:39 I'll try to stop talking about this, but I'm not there yet. What does a box of water cost?

Chuck Clough 2:47 This was like $1 75 or something.

Matt York 2:50 So my town they just got rid of plastic bags at the supermarket. And if I had a memory, if I could remember to bring the ones that I have in the back of my car every time like The reusable ones. Yeah, it would be fine. But I just end up buying more and more and more reusable.

Chuck Clough 3:06 I was leaving the car and then...

Matt York 3:10 I'm all for the idea of it.

Chuck Clough 3:11 So am I. But now I mean, look it's, it's...

Ronnie 3:15 It looks like milk.

Chuck Clough 3:18 Here comes a train... Box, a water box water is better.

Ronnie 3:21 So, I take it. You're from a town that doesn't care about box water.

Matt York 3:27 I live in Pembroke Massachusetts. Yes. So Pembroke is the landlocked town next to Duxbury and Marshfield on the South Shore?

Ronnie 3:34 Really? You ever run into Steven Tyler when you go through there?

Matt York 3:37 No but I saw the drummer at breakfast maybe a year or two ago and he has like a Lamborghini or Ferrari or whatever.

And we're like we're eating in Marshfield. And I like the sound, there can only be a couple of guys in Marshfield that own that car.

Chuck Clough 3:50 Well, you know it's also moving out there is Ari Hest. You know already he's a great singer-songwriter, you interviewed him over the winter.

We have to wait for the train to go by. His wife's family's out there and he's I guess he's moving out there now. He's fantastic.

Ronnie 4:10 And Steve Carell was there too.

Matt York 4:12 Yep.

He just came to visit. He owns a general store there. Yeah. And so he like once a year, he does this little thing where you can meet and meet him and he just raises money for something.

Chuck Clough 4:24 We try to get him on the show. I was all right, just for the hell of it. And you never got back to me.

Ronnie 4:30 Oh, you emailed him. I didn't know that.

Chuck Clough 4:31 I emailed his sister. Yeah. Who runs the general store.

Ronnie 4:38 He's from Acton. His dad lives in Acton. We could go to his house. We did that with Gary Pihl. He is a guitarist for Boston. The band Boston. So he was a guitarist for them since 85. He lives in my neighborhood.

And so I drove, I sat in his driveway. Because I was going out to, you know, to the front door to knock on his door. I go in the car and he pulls in slowly next to me. He was out doing something. I rolled down the window. And I'm like, you're probably wondering why I'm here. And you know, it was a little awkward. He humored us and came on. He came on one of our first like, first guests, I think, yeah,

Chuck Clough 5:22 well, no, ever first, but he was in the first 50. I think he's a very nice guy.

Matt York 5:28 When did you start doing this? 2016?

Chuck Clough 5:30 Yes, very good. Okay. You reached out to us pretty close to when we started.

Matt York 5:34 After after the globe article? When I saw the article on the globe, and then I started listening to it...

Chuck 5:39 To be honest, you're one of the first people to actually reach out to us to come on... And so you've been on our list for forever. Yeah. And it's been like, I've been like, kind of putting, like all the people that we've been meaning that you have on here, like starred. You've been starred forever.

So I'm so glad we finally got you, especially since we had booked Couple weeks ago and then I had some stuff to deal with and yeah so we did we can so I'm glad it wasn't like another year or so. So it's happening right, the sites happening. You've been started by Chuck more than once you were started here. I am here you are and, we don't have enough, you know white male singer-songwriter zones. Yeah no that's a real major problem for us. But thank you for coming on and thank you for taking the trip. I know, I didn't realize you were from Pembroke that's a long...

Matt York 6:32 Yeah, no, I do a lot of driving my friends so...

Chuck Clough 6:35 I guess you used to it,

Ronnie 6:36 Want some bug spray stuff? I might put it right on your neck.

Chuck Clough 6:39 No, so far. I'm good. I saw a song right there, but it's not gonna bite. Yeah, yeah, they're friendly around here. These are Concord mosquitoes.

The Sudbury mosquitoes only have to worry about with or with AAA.

Ronnie 6:55 AAA is bad.Have you ever heard of AAA?

Chuck Clough 6:59 You can get sick from them but they also change your tire.

Matt York 7:02 So in our town like it all the other towns around us, they're all like banning Swipe. Yeah, it's a sport like our town. It's like that hasn't reached that level. So they're still allowing it.

Chuck Clough 7:13 Yeah, I think this is rock and roll right here. We are here. We're live surrounded by deadly mosquitoes.

Okay, so let's actually talk about you. So well, first of all, you have your beautiful heart. Yeah, just came out. Yep. And you have a CD release coming up at the end of this month. Right? Correct. 28th at the Lizard Lounge. Right? Yeah, one of my favorite places to go.

Matt York 7:40 Yeah, me too. It is. Yeah, I'm excited about it. My wife and I actually met there 18 years ago. She was a musician and she's playing bass with me on the 28th.

Chuck Clough 7:50 What is, what is her name?

Matt York 7:52 Her name is Beth. Her last name is York as well She's playing bass with me that night. 18 years ago. We played a show together in a club in Worcester. I saw her and I was like, She's cute. I should invite her to open up for us at the Lizard Lounge. She came and did so. And we met that night. And, like, literally that weekend is the 18th anniversary of our first date.

Ronnie 8:17 And what does she play other than she's now playing bass to play guitar before she blows us out?

Matt York 8:22 Yes, she played bass years ago and, and she hadn't played in forever and I play probably 95% more than that of my shows just solo. I joke that it's too expensive to have her play bass because we have to get a babysitter every time. You know.

Chuck Clough 8:40 It's it's sadly it's cheaper to get a bass player than it is to get a babysitter.

Matt York 8:44 That's, Amen. So do that every day. Yeah. So it'll be a rich

Chuck Clough 8:49 It's a sad state of affairs. Yep. But at least you have a cute bass player...

Matt York 8:52 That part is huge and we get along.

Chuck Clough 8:55 How long you been playing in the Boston area for now?

Matt York 8:57 So Chuck, this might be an interesting story. So I, I don't know if you know a guy named by the name of Rick Berlin who has been around forever. He was in a band called Berlin Airlift.

So I did an album with Dave and he did a bunch of Rick's albums and kind of back then in the 80s, late 80s and stuff Rick and Dave were in a lot of this that same circle. Rick wasn't really a punk though. He was more like Talking Heads, Lou Reed type world.

So I met him when I was in high school, and I started playing the clubs when I was a young kid, a really young kid like 15. So like places like the Rat was closing down. Yeah, I was like, the high school kid play in those places and played in a band called White Iris that was a popular indie punk band in the late 90s. For five or six years, we had a pretty good run. We played all over the East Coast, and then I stopped forever. I stopped for 12 years. Yeah.

And oh, and then I started back up four years ago. And I didn't plan on doing much of anything more than just kind of recording and plan a couple of songs in the studio. And this has been the third album now in four years. And I think I've played something like 13 states this year.

So yeah, it's not what I intended on doing. Yeah. But it kind of just took off. And, when I was really young, my dad was just a huge, like Lou Reed, Bowie guy. And so I started with that when I was like, seven, eight years old. And, you know, when I was a teenage kid, he was the one driving me to these clubs and, you know, unloaded my amp and stuff.

And so he turned 70 a few years ago, and, you know, I think he was always a little bit bummed that I stopped doing music and so I really went in there to kind of record a couple of songs for his birthday, and it just kind of happens, you know?

Ronnie 11:00 It's very heartfelt to hear. And you could tell that that's important to you. And it's rare. My parents, when it came to music, were they're always supportive of music. But I think that getting back into it would have been tough, a tough sell. That's pretty noble that he feels that he wants you to be involved in that.

Matt York 11:19 Yeah. And I think I mean, I, you know, I kind of went, I got away from music and was able to kind of, I have a regular job and I have a wife and kids and I have a mortgage and you know, I mean, I'm able to kind of balance the two things by not sleeping a hell of a lot, I guess.

Chuck Clough 11:35 But what do you do for?

Matt York 11:36 it's a complicated job Chuck, but I worked for Sprint. I worked for Sprint, but I work in a fraud investigator. So I will stay companies that sell our product and try to defraud us and try to identify that and take action.

Chuck Clough 11:53 That's pretty cool!

Matt York 11:55 Yeah, and I work from home so I'm able to kind of sit on my couch and do that and

Chuck 12:00 Do undercover stuff and like, you know, it's more finance-driven and kind of it's more spreadsheets and you know, I have a friend I went I grew up with actually he works for the FBI. Is that right? Yeah.

Matt York 12:15 A few years ago, I was a licensed private investigator, but I let it lapse. So really, yeah, like somehow if you had been an investigator as long as I've been you qualified, and I went, and it was like so lame. I thought it was gonna be like a badge and they gave me like this Xerox piece of paper. Yeah, it was like faded and

Chuck Clough 12:31 did you ever get into the Spencer for hire books, or ever be part?

Matt York 12:34 Yeah, so I grew up like I loved Hawk.

Chuck Clough 12:36 Yeah. And those are my books. I love I read every single one of those books. Yep. Did you read those books? Spencer hire him for a TV show.

Ronnie 12:46 That's all I remember.

Chuck 12:47 Based upon those books. Yeah, but the books were better. Yes.

Ronnie 12:51 Maybe they can sponsor this podcast.

Matt York 12:55 Yeah, we're merging with T-Mobile. So Amanda, where are you? Really? Yeah.

Chuck Clough 12:59 Is that Is that inside information? No, no, that's like, really?

Matt York 13:06 I'm not smart enough to know,

Ronnie 13:08 what type of fraud we talking about.

Chuck Clough 13:09 And have you written a song about this?

Ronnie 13:11 Let me answer the first question first. So yeah, is there a song about it?

Chuck 13:16 No my question was much better about it, right? But that my question was much better than your question.

Ronnie 13:25 Well, I think it's interesting. I mean, like, I've never met anybody that does it. But your songs are a little deeper than that. They are. They're not just about iPhone fraud. No, you know, what I was taken by was some of the recent stuff you did the addiction song. It's not called that and you're going to tell me in a second what that is. But there's a few on the album, but I Lost my Baby to the Needle, To the Needle, right?

You put a couple of stats on there that are very sobering not to give up on, but that 72,000 people died in 2017.

Matt York 14:32 Yeah, we had actually talked about that on an episode we did write music and recovery.

So the people in the video are in both in recovery and they both run sober homes and there are a couple themselves now to me.

Ronnie 14:55 That's amazing because I think I saw it in Jed's article or was it Jed Gottlieb or something? Nobody wrote an article on you. Yep, that was interesting. Because, you know, you can have these really poignant messages. Yeah, about something as powerful as opiates and addiction, but at the same time, like you always think they're actors. And yeah, these people are like, a real going through this really start how therapeutic it might, it must have been. I don't know. It was in the middle of that.

Matt York 15:22 So a couple of things is it was really funny because we literally met them in front of an Nantasket, the beach there. It was, like November. It's freezing cold in the morning. We met them in a parking lot.

We spent maybe an hour and a half with them, and we've never seen them again. But we suddenly kind of created this thing together and that's evergreen. Yeah, totally. And you know, I sent them the song I just like put like a Craigslist AD, and I sent it to a couple of different spots trying to find people.

And she the girl in the videos sent me the email saying listen, this I'm the person to do this. She had no acting experience. Right and I don't drink, but my dad joined AA when I was about eight, nine years old and, and he would take me to AA meetings.

So when I was like eight or nine I'd be hearing these people get up and tell these stories that I was like holy shit! Like drinking crazy, right. And so I was kind of always aware of it. And, you know, I drank a little bit when I was in my 20s. But I was never a big drinker and ever, but I was, you know, if you do music long enough, you see this stuff, you know, you see addiction in all different forms.

So the album that I put out before this was really about alcoholism, and just kind of having been away from the clubs for so long. And then going back in like, Oh, my God, like, I forgot how crazy this? Yes, yeah, every day, we recorded probably seven or eight songs that are really about addiction in that world. It's not a happy album by any stretch.

Chuck Clough 16:48 But no, but I mean, you know, the thing is when you write when you go out to write songs about such a powerful topic, it can sometimes be contrived. You know, it's like trying too hard to be, you know, to make this story into this song.

Matt York 17:07 Just say one thing you said about how contrived. So I spent a lot of years away from music and years where I didn't pick up a guitar at all.

And my wife and kids and I were at the finish line during the marathon bombing. Yeah, we were able to kind of get out of there. And our kids were young, and whatever. That was six, six years ago. Again, and I remember, like, I went home, and like, within two or three days, I had a song about it like it all of a sudden, it just came out, you know, and it was such an interesting thing.

And I had been away from music and Randy, who runs at woods and used to run TT to bears years ago. She was running Johnny DS at the time, and I was like, Listen, Randy, I don't do music anymore. I see you're doing a benefit. And I'd love to just come and play a couple. I want to play this song. So she was awesome. And let me do it. You know, it's kind of like the one time I started that I kind of came out and played in it. You know, I've never released it or recorded it or anything, but it made me realize I could still do it if I wanted to?

Ronnie 18:05 Yeah. And so that was the trigger actually that part of it rushed back into music. Yep. Well, that's a powerful terrible thing that you know, it's always amazing to hear some of the little the silver lining come out of some of these awful things. Yeah, you know what I like about Matt's music is also the harmonies that are double in some of the doublings that you do in the production of it.

But I love the effect. I've always loved the effect in rock and pop and others, similar genres. You connect the same melody and unison. And the effect that that gives is really, it could be haunting, but it could also just be very cerebral and is very soothing. Is that something that you experimented with one day and said You liked it? Or have you always come from?

Matt York 18:52 Well, it's funny because when I was younger, and I had a noisier band, we were just a three-piece. There was no one else in my band that could sing. So there weren't harmonies in it. And then when I came back and started doing this, I didn't have anybody else to sing them.

You know, like I was in the studio there was nobody else with me I was pretty much doing all the instruments. So I just kind of experimented with doing it myself and I would have preferred honestly to have had someone else do it. The album I did before this one I did with Dave Brophy, who's will Bailey's drummer and the Ruby Rose Fox album and he's done a bunch of stuff and so he and I have worked together on some of the harmonies I think, I can't remember he may have sung some of them actually, I love doing it.

And this is double though to you don't just do harmonies? Yeah, it's double vocal us in a lot of times. I'll split the harmony in parts. And then it comes back to a unison Yeah, right. And then it's funny when I do them live because when I just have the one voice like it's, it's almost like you have two different melodies to choose from.

Chuck Clough 19:49 So depending on how strong your voices at night, you can choose the lower one.

Matt York 19:51 Yeah, exactly. I'm on the fourth night in a row then I'm going love the feeling.

Chuck Clough 19:56 Yeah, you know, I always love to do this, but the whole, Oh you sound like so and so. But and especially with, I need my readers.

Ronnie 20:08 Those new again.

Chuck Clough 20:09 Do you like them?

Ronnie 20:10 You get new glasses every week?

Chuck 20:11 Oh no cause I lose them. That's why I lose them and...

Ronnie 20:15 Just lost the $80 pair that you paid for last night.

Chuck Clough 20:17 I lost these exact pair.

Ronnie 20:19 No, they were the tortoiseshell type.

Chuck Clough 20:21 That's what I have. I have those still.

Ronnie 20:24 Those are great. Those last ones. Yeah. Glad you didn't lose those.

Chuck Clough 20:27 I have those.

Ronnie 20:28 But I really liked those and you look good in them.

Chuck Clough 20:30 You don't like these?

Ronnie 20:31 No.

Chuck Clough 20:31 Why not?

Ronnie 20:32 I don't like it as much as the other ones. Those are okay.

Chuck Clough 20:35 Well, this is my Clark Kent. What do you think, Joe? No. Matt, what do you think?

Matt York 20:40 I thought they looked fun. I'm not gonna lie.

Ronnie 20:43 I think you're fine too. But the other ones he's he looks great. Like, yeah...

Chuck Clough 20:51 Steve Earle, man, you've got that, especially that song a Permanent Crush. It almost sounds like a first take of whatever song you saying. It's just very natural True, which is what reminds me of Steve. Oh, it's very raw that.

Matt York 22:03 Yeah, so I had never listened to him when I was younger. And then I found him maybe 20 years ago. And I was like, wait, well, how did I miss this? Yeah, I know I missed out. I didn't get into late recently to like that I missed him.

Chuck 22:15 But it's not even. It's not even just the voice which you know, you can kind of get that low register voice too. But it's also the guitar playing it's the entire song. And not only that, but there was also the other side actually in a previous album on my own. Between the Bars. I don't know if you know Elliott Smith. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, but yeah, between the bars. I thought it was so clever. And then

Chuck Clough 22:47 No, no, you know, Elliott Smith. Yeah, yeah. So, he's got a song called Between the Bars, I guess you would say so I thought there was a reference to that.

Matt York 22:58 Yeah, it was just coincidence though, that I stole it by accident.

Chuck Clough 23:01 He was such an influence on me. Yeah, he died. He was such a frickin talent. Yeah. Such a talent.

Ronnie 23:13 So what is the story with Boston, Texas? So I'm just curious if it's not a town in Texas, right?

Matt York 23:19 There is a tiny little town called Austin, Texas. But so when I was a kid, when I was about 10, we moved to Texas. We've grown up in Boston, and we moved to Texas as a family for about a year when I was down there briefly, I kind of got hints of, you know, back then there was no rock'n'roll music down there. And there was no country music back here. So, you know, I would start to hear like Willie and Waylon and people who I was, I was too young to know, but I just kind of would hear these influences.

And then so as I got older and started writing, I kind of found that Boston music was what I love the most. But I kept coming back to these kinds of texts, influences kept kind of pulling on my songwriting like Steve Earle. And you know Townes, Van Zandt. People like that Billy Joe shaver so the songs that on that first album that Boston tech Selma just kind of a mishmash.

Ronnie 24:08 Yeah, Boston and Texas in that town is kind of very indicative of like that your whole experience with this song.

Matt York 24:15 September is coming soon. Yep.

Ronnie 25:00 It's one of my favorite months. it's a tough month. Some deaths in our, my friends and family. But there's also some birthdays and some amazing celebrations too. Yep.

So September is the start of school and just something about the, like just coming to America. Yeah. And actually, I'm Jewish. So it's like, you know, Russia, China is the new year of September in October. Yep. And you celebrate the new year for that.

Matt York 25:23 I feel like I'm a pretty normal person. Like I'm not a depressed person. I'm not an alcoholic. I don't have any of these types of issues. But I write about those things September's coming soon to me, just always many people are affected by the summer ending, especially here in New England, where you just prepare for kind of shutting down, you know, being stuck in the indoors for a few months.

Ronnie 25:45 I think it's a rebirth. Yeah, I like the weather too. Yep. I don't think his summer is that great. I mean, I think it's sometimes too hot. You know, like Chuck, don't you like starting that fire.

Chuck 25:55 If I go on vacation in the summer, even if it's like for three days, like June I'm done. I'm done. I'm ready for fall so yeah falls in love, the smell of like, yeah the smell the wood-burning... and you wrote a song about that bring on the winter.

Ronnie 26:13 He went past September and he wrote a song about bringing in the winter so you want..

Chuck Clough 26:17 I mean, I liked the winter but that was just really kind of I was looking for something that rhymed with splinter. I don't know.

Ronnie 26:26 Sorry to Bring up the weather. But you know, I just like that freakin song.

Chuck Clough 26:29 When you got back into playing music Did you get back into playing solo and doing acoustic guitar not getting back into a band? for a specific reason? Was it just now it's just gonna be easier to play by me. That's what I did. I mean, it was easier for me to play by myself. Pick up an acoustic guitar and try and get a band back together with two small kids, right?

Matt York 26:46 Yeah, almost all of them I play solo. And if I had a bunch of guys that I was friends with that could just at the drop of a hat, play for next to nothing and just show up and be awesome. I would do that. I just don't you know, and so I mean, I Live on the south shore, my drummer lives in Manchester, New Hampshire, you know, so it's like, we're lucky to have a rehearsal before we play a gig. And I like to travel and traveling on the road when you know, you're probably gonna lose money anyway. Yeah, to bring a band just ensures that you're not only going to lose money, but you're going to be very uncomfortable probably on the road,

Chuck Clough 27:21 getting back into, or even starting for the first time being a solo artist. Yep. What was the most challenging thing for you? Because I started doing it myself. It was a learning experience trying to figure out where my strengths were. Yep. What did you do improve on, plus my voice. And playing has changed since I was a kid, and especially my voice.

Matt York 27:39 I don't have the higher range that I have when I was younger. But I was a big smoker when I was younger, and I don't smoke. So like I was just down in Nashville last week, and I did like four nights in a row. But that fourth night, I feel a little pull on my voice. But I feel like almost every time now I can go out and I'm going to give the same level of performance every time. So control to

Ronnie 28:00 I've always been a piano player mostly and it's like I'm not going to lug around a piano and do a solo thing but I've always envied someone with it, you know a good command of their guitar and then they match their vocal to the chord the rhythm they're reading off the audience and

Matt York 28:16 that's the biggest thing showing up in playing gigs and not knowing exactly what the audience is going to be especially like I opened up for a lot of national Acts where I joke all the time.

When I do that that I'm like there to just be like a good appetizer right you know like I'm if I'm a quality like clam chowder a buffalo wings to them then great right they're not there to see me they're there to have steak sometimes I'll come out and just based on the audience I can feel like you know I can do the kind of the listening room tender sad songs thing or they want more of an upbeat warm-up and yeah. Warm up the evening the ability to kind of just be solo and change on like, I don't write setlist I just will go out there and transition if I yeah.

Ronnie 28:56 Well, do you find that like there's a part of you that feels that if someone's getting filled up on their clam chowder, they're going to taste it. It's going to be good. But if they find that they're like they don't need as much steak, because they filled up on the clam chowder, that's a goal of yours.

Chuck Clough 29:13 This is right up Ron's alley. This whole food analogy. Yeah, he does this. Yes. With the ingredients. And the recipe. You're all you do all that.

Ronnie 29:22 I think the fact that Matt came up with that analogy,

Chuck Clough 29:25 I'm just saying it's right up your alley. You don't have to get defensive

Ronnie 29:28 No, no, I'm not am I?

Matt York 30:16 Well, you had Carissa Johnson on here at one point. We did yeah, rocks, man. She's insane. So we did the rumble together a few years ago and we played a few gigs together. That was when she won a couple of years ago. I was in my band was in it that year. So I did the rumble in 2000. I did it in 2017. And oh, wow, really crazy. And Jed Gottlieb wrote this article with me and two or three others that had had this giant gap. Yeah, and yeah, what was crazy to me is when I think back, I was probably 20, early 20s. When I did it back then, the entire club was not only packed but it was packed with people in their early 20s. Oh, yeah. When I played it two years ago.

Chuck Clough 30:57 These with you?

Matt York 31:00 Yeah. Like none you know and even Krista who is that age? Yeah her fans Aren't you know I mean the show but they're telling that's it yeah they're people that love that Boston punk music that CO yeah she's doing what we love, but it's not like you know a club full of 22-year-olds You know.

Chuck Clough 31:18 You're excited about your CD release, and this came out just what August 4, right? It's just released.

Matt York 31:24 Yeah. Yeah went up on Spotify. I think right around the time I wasn't sure what I was going to do for an actual release and that kind of fell in place to do the Lizard

Chuck 31:33 Who's opening for you?

Matt York 31:34 So we're starting the night because all of my friends are so old that I was like put us on early because...

Chuck 31:41 Okay, the band old jack does they do a residency the last Saturday of every month so you opening for them?

Matt York 31:48 So they Yeah, they're playing in the middle slot and in a band called. The I want your headline? The I want you I like those guys. Yeah, so that's good. That's cool. That's great. I ain't going to be my high school. 30th Reunion.

Chuck Clough 31:56 Are you allowed back?

Ronnie 31:58 What's it? Yes, I am.

But you're gonna have your CDs out. And like an actual CD release physical artifact, I will give you a physical CD. And then, do you have like downloads and stuff like that or how does that work?

Chuck Clough 32:13 You new to this music business right now?

Ronnie 32:15 I'm wondering what Matt...

Matt York 32:17 what I usually do is, uh, you know, I sell t-shirts and then I'll give a download code or I'll give a CD and I'm gonna download card with it. So I sell more t-shirts.

Chuck Clough 32:26 Do you ever do vinyl?

Matt York 32:27 I just don't have enough people I care about it, I can't justify the upfront costs.

Chuck Clough 32:34 You know, we have an album that we're waiting to get out. So you think you want to do vinyl? Well, just like 100 friends you're having to be expensive, but it'll just be something to have. I'm never going to put an album out like so why don't we do that? We should.

Ronnie 32:52 Alright, so back to Matt. So

Matt York 32:53 So can I just get one final thing? Yeah, so I was not this last time but one of the times I was down in Nashville, I went into Jack White's thing.

Unknown Speaker 33:00 Man, he's got that that that little like phone booth where you can record in and then it automatically produces a vinyl. Right? Neil Young made an album that way and stuff. little teeny vinyl. Within like an hour.

Chuck 33:16 Is it? 33 and 1/2, 33 1/3?

Matt York 33:18 No, it's like a 4045, not a...

Chuck Clough 33:21 78?

Matt York 33:23 I don't even know what it is.

Ronnie 33:24 It's a 62

Chuck 33:26 Well, it's got to be either 45, 78 or 33.

Matt York 33:28 So I will send you I will text...

Ronnie 33:31 Because you got to play it in your variable, but it's just it's a record. Yeah,

Chuck 33:35 But you want to be able to listen to it.

Matt York 33:37 So I haven't been able to figure out how to listen to it on my record player, but I have friends. That is funny. No one can listen.

Chuck Clough 33:43 No, but that's it's got to be one of those three. He wouldn't just make up. Yeah.

Matt York 33:47 I'm sure it is. I just don't remember but well, we do young Jack White went on I think Jimmy Fallon or Kimball and they brought the machine on the...

Ronnie 34:00 Fallon that's a Fallon thing.

Matt York 34:01 Yeah, I'll send you the link to it. I have watched it but you have like two minutes and 20 seconds and then the machine shuts off.

Chuck Clough 34:09 Like there's only one side to it. Yep.

Ronnie 34:11 That's so cool, man. Thank you for doing this.

Chuck Clough 34:15 You play us a couple of songs would be cool. Hold on a second for a second. Yeah...

Chuck Clough 40:07 We would like to thank Matt for his support of ATB over the years and for sitting with us.

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