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Unknown Speaker 0:24 Like it Yeah, like this. Cool. What is the sticker sticker? Yeah, yeah. Unknown Speaker 6:16 You gotta get an above the basic glass above the vape. And if I knew you were coming out I brought you a glass too. It's a lot of like diverse March. Well, it's a stickers and glass. That's all we have. We have T shirts too. What else should we have swag. What's your favorite merch? sweatshirts, like hoodies? Because I'm always cold. It was sweatshirts are expensive. Those are tough, expensive. You have ghost girl sweatshirts? No, no, what do you have? I have T shirts and stickers and I'm gonna do like little pins. Okay, pins are always good. We have pins to do do vinyl. No, I haven't. I haven't contemplated doing a few for the album that I just did just to like have a couple. Yeah, Chuck loves vinyl. No, I'm not kidding. Like he Unknown Speaker 7:00 likes to have anything physical like an artifact. Anyways, welcome. Yeah, thank you for doing this. I know it was tough to get all the way to work at five in the morning or something. Yeah, we have to be I work at Starbucks part time. Oh, I get to serve people coffee. barista. barista. Yeah good. I don't know I mean I feel like I guess I can make I can make a latte what's most difficult she's a she's a bad barista on this show. This is a this is this show is throughout the country in the in the world. There's Starbucks everywhere. And yeah, I would not say I'm not a good barista. I didn't ask her she was a good barista did I said Are you a good barista? I'm sorry. Sorry, put on the spot. What's the most complicated thing you can make? I don't know. Like, there's things I hate making like I feel like everyone who's ever worked at Starbucks hates making like frappuccinos because it's the worst. Well there's something last summer it was like some kind of rainbow special thing that Yeah, yeah, that I heard that tie dye frappuccino. Was it that Oh yeah. Chuck Clough 8:00 No daughter I called it was called rainbow something and my daughter wanted it really badly. I don't know, there was like a short period of time, there was a frappuccino that had yellow and then it had like colors sprinkled all over the side of the cup. And that was the Thai one and then it had like a topping. Yeah, it was all bunch of different colors. Yeah. But that wasn't actually that hard to make has a drink. Yes. What was the training like for Starbucks? Did you have like on the job training for a couple weeks? Yeah, you have to like be like you have like baby shifts, right? First start and people like teach you how to make drinks. And then you learn how to like do everything at a really stressful speed that just comes like naturally over time, because when you're new, you're like throwing everything all over the place because your heart is like palpitating. So Ronnie 8:46 I was a I was a barista in Chicago at Caribou Coffee. Okay, and she's supposed to know what that is. No, I just tell her what it's called. They had like this class where we had to go to an easel and they had to say, here's a latte. Here's a cappuccino. And then we had we had a quiz over a couple weeks where we had to like, go up here and show us who's stressful. And then I said, I raised my hand once and I said, Excuse me, what if we want to make an espresso blah, blah, blah? And she's in this lady said, uh, you hear what everybody here at Rogers said. Okay.Does everyone know what Roger said? He said espresso. Oh, yeah, espresso. Exactly. And don't do it wrong. Never. Exactly. Unknown Speaker 9:30 That's how most people say it when I first learned how to say it. I felt like it sounded wrong. Like I had like I was forgetting a letter. If I said espresso seemed like this doesn't sound right. I don't know. But you know what you call a fish with No, I know. Unknown Speaker 9:43 It's the same thing. We have a lot of dad jokes. Unknown Speaker 9:47 So that is a dead link. When you when you think about that word, and you think about espresso fish and no but seriously, espresso. What what I want to know is when I hear your music Unknown Speaker 10:00 I actually hear a different sound with the lyric than just meeting you and talking with you. I think that's the case with a lot of artists. How do you mean I don't understand what you like my voice my singing voice is different. That's what I'm trying to say in a long winded way is it was thinking about like, Your voice sounds. It's higher pitches. Yeah, sort of accent tones to it. Yeah, I guess not a lot. My real voices is more like, I don't know, like deep, not as high pitched and like pretty, I think, I don't know what, but when you started writing, like, did you start kind of humming along in that current voice that we hear now, I used to be really bad at singing. I used to sing really like monotone because I didn't have like the confidence to actually sing. And one of my aunts told me that she could tell that I could sing because she plays music and stuff too. And she's like, I can tell that you can sing and that you just don't have the confidence to sing. And so like after a couple years of singing, I feel like my voice kind Unknown Speaker 11:00 just changed and like, even with this album compared to my last one, it's a lot different. Like when I listened to the two of them side by side, like a song from the last one in song from this one, there's like a really big difference. This is your third album. Yes, we first heard you at the boss Music Awards. Okay, which was probably 2018 Yes, yes, two years ago. You know, whatever. Do I remember what happened? Sorry. We weren't nominated. I know that. No, but, but we had just started the podcast, basically. Right. So anyways, that's not true. We started August 2016. Anyways, um, but you know, there's there are certain times when Ron and I are at a concert together. And you know, when I went out there for a specific band, there's like a bunch of different bands going on. We're also we both to stop and we're like, what, where does that sound? Come? Yeah, see? Yeah. And we heard it, guess what? It was, it was you. But it was what we've done if same thing if like circus trees were the same kind of thing. You know, circus trees. Yes. The Fantastic. We just stop talking like Wow, this is great. We just sort of look at each other. Unknown Speaker 12:00 They're all sudden we're like, oh, and we were using at this kind of comedy routine. I don't know what the deal is right now. Never. But you just you up there by yourself. You nominated that year? No only for the 617 sessions. Yeah. Okay. You did the 617 sessions. Yeah, that year. Yeah. So did that Sidney Gish did those here that year as well. I believe I feel like it was the year before. Oh, gosh, the year before? Yes, you have been for about 15 minutes. I'm sorry. But anyways, we stopped short. And we're both like, wow, because it's just the ethereal sound that's coming out of you, with your voice and the guitar with a lot of reverb. And it's just very eerie. And I mean, everyone kind of stopped and listened. And it's tough for you, especially when you're just one person up on stage. With a crowd that's not necessarily listening all the time. When you can do that. That's something special. So that's when we first saw you. And we immediately wanted to have you on the show and only took two years. Unknown Speaker 13:00 10 years to get you on. We've been stalking we're very happy to have you on. And I was listening all the way and as listening to living room over and over and over again. I've listened to it about 1520 times. He kept the song, repeat. He can't even listen to a different song now. It's a great shot. Well, thanks. I love that. It's actually my favorite goes girl song. Yeah, we had the same favorite. Is that your favorite? Well, I can't. I mean, it's my favorite. And I've listened to it. I listened to the whole all of them, but for whatever reason, that's the one that I think Did you play that one at Boston College? No, no, no. I know exactly what you played. Yeah, you do. Yeah. Tell me Tell me more about living room. What did you play? Here? Wasn't that Unknown Speaker 13:41 you just said you knew what she played. Sorry. I know what she did not play and it was not. Okay. Unknown Speaker 13:48 And I know I know when there's a song. It's the first time I've ever heard in my life. It lets me know that feeling. Sorry. Go. Good. So what was the question? What was the question? Let's talk about that song. Living Room. Yes. So that's how Unknown Speaker 14:00 It's kind of a song that took me like a couple years to write. I started writing it when I was really young. And I finished it kind of more recently. And it was about when I was a teenager and I was dating somebody at like a really hard time in my life where like I was having like, a hard time at home and stuff like that. And like with my housing situation, and then the person that I was dating, had parents that I found to be like, super comforting to me. Like they had a really stable house. I liked to be there a lot. And then all of a sudden, like, their parents were getting a divorce, their dad was moving out, and they weren't on good terms. And the person that I was dating got kind of like went into a dark spot, and I didn't hear from them for a really long time. And they ended up like figuring out a lot about themselves and that they were actually transgender. So they transitioned and so the song is kind of just about all of that happening at once and like what that feels Unknown Speaker 15:00 Yeah, just so it's like a lot of stuff to happen at once. I feel like those kind of things happen to you when you're a teenager. I feel like yeah, they haven't. Like it all happened. It feels more dramatic when you're a teenager. Yeah. So tell me what is the living room itself? When you think of that, what do you see is that the living room were like they were Yeah, it's like the living room at their house. It's like also a feeling like, like I said, a happy spot for me. So it was kind of like being there with them. And like, it was a place to be like really happy and like to not have a lot of the stress that I had and that I felt when I wasn't there. And obviously like for them when that being their home. It was actually a different circumstance going on. Like, yeah, because their perspective of that living room was different than you Oh, yeah, for sure cider with the comfort that you saw. But that was a very different lens that they were looking at their own. Yeah. And I'm sure that they felt kind of like the opposite at that point. And it's just Unknown Speaker 16:00 Kinda like shows like perspective. Like for me, it was like an escape place. It was a comforting place and like a warm place with a lot of like love and care. And like for them I'm sure that it was not so much that all the time you know, so it's great to hear the meaning more from you. Because the melody itself and that sort of droning in that reverb and then drums coming in. I love the guitars in there. I love everything about it. I'm sexy live again. Do you play right now? Well, live playing with a band Are you are you playing with a band now? Are you so I did the record with Alex allanson from the bird soundstage and Kevin Kline from Valley heart so he did a lot of the guitar on that EP. I'm trying to lean more into like playing with a drummer and like a full band. I like to be able to hold my own onstage if I need to like I don't want to have to depend on good drummers like that. Good, especially for like tour and stuff. But I definitely like Unknown Speaker 17:00 wanted to keep it like, I'd like to have one futuristically like a full band aspect to it as opposed to just being on my own. It's like all about finding the right people that like you fit with and stuff. Yeah. So I'm kind of working on it. Like recently, like when I'm playing live, I'm playing by myself still. Yeah. And we're, and then I'm going on tour in April. Nice. Where are you going? So I'm going to New York and then I have show a show in Baltimore. A couple places in North Carolina. Georgia has happened in the car. Yeah, we're in New York, a plane at Rockwood wood. I love rock wood. Yeah, I've never played I was supposed to play like years and years ago there and I have like some reason that I couldn't do the tour. I'll tell everybody in New York to go see you. Would you know what stage you're gonna be on? I don't cuz I'm still working on like booking some of the other bands like for the the shows for like supporting the shows. Um, it's just you Rockwood. Yeah, it's me. And then I'm playing again in New York. Unknown Speaker 18:00 On the following day a pianos and it's just just you the guitar, just me and my guitar. Yeah. I would definitely love to hear you with the whole band. It feels really naked when I play it alone. That's for sure. Like when I play living room alone. Yeah, I feel like I'm like, I wish that I had the entire like song up here with me because it has so much more feeling to me when it's Hold on. Let me tell you about the problem with ghost girl. There's a problem with ghost girl. Here's the issue. And it's one of those good problems to have the reason why we looked at each other at the VMAs I'm looking at him now. No one knows it on the podcast right now. But the reason why Chuck and I looked at each other was Yes, it was unique and different. But it was because of you being by yourself with a guitar. And frankly a young woman who was just owning it and it was very confident and very timeless. Now you put drums and bass or and or keys mean whatever you want to do with a band Unknown Speaker 19:00 It's gonna sound awesome, but it's a paradox. There could be venues where it's gonna sound freakin awesome and rockin and live and energy and just like emotional because the band can do that for you. But there's nothing I would almost imagine a show that has certain times where you're just by yourself to captivate in one examples like a different genre, but Martin Sexton you know, Martin Sexton, I don't he he's been around for like, 25 years or more. And he's, he's an amazing guitar singer, songwriter and vocalist who can have this great band sound, but then you can just see him not even with a microphone, and he's in a church or like, some amazing acoustics place by himself and you're just like captivated. So anyway, that's the problem with ghost girl is Unknown Speaker 19:48 that's the only problem. That's the only problem. Unknown Speaker 19:53 Talk about being up there by yourself. I mean, obviously, that's, that's probably how you started when you started playing. When did you start going out and Unknown Speaker 20:00 gigging back when I was like, I want to say like 17 or 18 years old, you're now 25 or 25. Yeah, so 17 and you just you an acoustic kind of thing. Yeah, I used to only play acoustic guitar. I played like softer stuff and covers or your own stuff, my own stuff, but a lot different. Yeah. And I would only play with an acoustic guitar. And then one day, like years later, I just was like, I really want an electric guitar for like, the ambience and like all of the things you can do with it. Yeah, I feel like it fits like what I'm doing better. Yeah, I agree. So ever since I've just only played really with an electric guitar just like me and an electric guitar. Sometimes I'll use a couple pedals. But for the most part, it's just like me and my guitar. And I am a person with a lot of anxiety. Yeah, so every time I play I'm super nervous before you play, and during, like, I'm usually like, super, like really, like shaky and like, everyone's like, Oh, we couldn't tell and I'm like, why? Unknown Speaker 21:00 could feel it the whole time like my fingers, like when I'm moving them like on the fret board, they'll be like shaking and they'll like slip a lot. But like, I feel like you can't really see it. Unknown Speaker 21:10 I don't want to see that once but I didn't see it has changed over the years or so. Or it's gotten easier for sure. Because I used to be like, way worse about it. I definitely still get nervous but it's just like, it usually eases up like once I get going now whereas like before, it would be constant the entire time I would mess up and then I'd be i'd pause and I'd be like I'm so sorry. I messed up. And then I would like start the song over what kind of music were you playing before that it was more like strumming acoustic stuff? Yeah, kind of thing. Yeah, sort of sort of more geared towards folk stuff. There wasn't a lot of like space Enos and ambience to it. I didn't use a ton of reverb back then. Yeah, come from that space Enos some influence. Um, I just feel like it's like the like vibe that things have when I write like when I write I feel like they like it should be like that. Unknown Speaker 22:00 He spacey with a lot of reverb in it. It's sad usually, like most of the stuff I write is sad. There's tension in some of the things that you hear in a good way. There's sort of like a cerebral makes you listen, it brings you in it does you anxious during that during the writing process? No, no. Something that songs are about some darker thing. Yeah. They're about like, usually past stuff. I find that like, if something is happening to me, that's bothering me, I actually can't write about it. I can't write about it, like until it's over. And I can like look back at it. So it's kind of like a lot of the stuff I write about is stuff that has already happened to me. And it's kind of that's when it's like ready to come out of my brain. I guess. I don't feel anxious when I write something, I guess that I feel when I write is a lot of the time like, I'll throw a lot of stuff away because I feel like the way that it's written isn't like presentable enough, which is something that I tried to get rid of wanting to do. My most recent Unknown Speaker 23:00 Now Oh with the songs are crazy. Yeah, but I would have half of them or something, I'll get rid of them or like I'll write something I'll write a lot of the time like a fourth of a song and I'll be like that just like doesn't present well, like that's just like not that's ugly the way that it's written like, people wouldn't like that. And then I'll get rid of it, or I used to, and I've tried to just kind of just write from like a raw point of view, like, I'll just be like, I'm not deleting so that's how I feel or like, I'm just gonna keep it because it doesn't have to be pretty Unknown Speaker 23:57 doesn't feel like it's Unknown Speaker 24:27 You can tell when it's coming from an honest place? Yeah, no, I like that answer a lot about how you just felt that that's the sound that you heard in your felt when you were writing these songs, rather than saying, Oh, I was really into the cure or you know, I was really into like, you know, this sounds so and so. And so I started just writing like them and then found my voice that way. This was kind of like an internal you felt honest to you. So I like I like to usually it's really kind of is about honesty is about coming from an honest place for you. Yeah, cuz it used to be sort of like when I Unknown Speaker 25:00 wrote music I wrote it for everybody else. Like I wanted it to sound like pretty and presentable. I wanted the lyrics to be like, something that people would want to hear. And I feel like I came to a point where I just started writing things and not letting myself get rid of them just because I felt like people wouldn't want to hear them. Was it a lyric thing? Or was it sound? Both? I guess, like, it was both for, like both because there were a lot of melodies I like trashed or a lot of lyrics that I trashed for the same reason. And like I said, it just got to a point where I was like, well, this is how I feel. And this is how the song feels. And like I'm gonna write it this way. Cuz that's how it's supposed to be written. And if I try to write it the way that like, society would like it or something, then it's not mine. So sometimes I listen to bands or music and I think about who would be covering that who would be interesting to sing that song. And I thought of a living room again. Mm hmm. And another song called houses got the acoustic guitar right, Amazon order one home home. Yes. Unknown Speaker 26:01 Yeah, yeah, that's old. And then there's our let me cut to the chase a couple years ago, when you were playing, I turn, I think it was like, maybe it was you into and I said she could be a star. You did. I remember you saying that. He's the Ed McMahon of the Boston Music Awards. Well, thanks. That means a lot. I didn't think I'd ever much coming from him. But Unknown Speaker 26:25 it does to me from anyone because like when I started writing, I didn't ever think I would get anywhere with it. So it's cool to have anybody think that joking of course. Besides, I work for Sony records isn't your last. Your last name is Butter Jelly? Yes. That's that's a lot to live up to right there. Yes, it is. isn't an opera singer. I don't know what you're talking about. But I'm just cruising by the Chilean opera singer. He's a painter. I know, you're thinking of the blonde you're thinking of Andre Bocelli, I think oh, that's one but no Bhattacharya. Unknown Speaker 26:58 So you're Italian. Yes. Unknown Speaker 27:00 You're from the south shore. Yes. And you went to high school down there in Foxborough area. I went to like, a lot of high schools. I moved a lot as a kid. And I ended up like my last two years of high school. I got homeschooled. Unknown Speaker 27:15 So I didn't ever move around so much like me asking, um, my mom was a single parent. And we had a lot of like, struggles. It was a lot for her. It was like two kids virus. Our sister brother, I have a sister, okay, older, younger, younger. My mom was the only person that like, could pay the bills and a lot of different schools. I didn't take it well, because I was bullied a lot as a kid. And in high school, going to like four high schools is like really hard because everybody's cruel. And like in high school, you're always a new kid. Yeah. So I was always the new kid. Well, two years You were right. freshmen and sophomore. Yeah. And then two years. You were homeschooled. You did it in four years. Yeah, so I didn't do like the traditional life. Unknown Speaker 28:00 High school stuff. I don't have a lot of like, long term friends from like school or anything like that. So how do you guys know each other? we're dating. Oh. Unknown Speaker 28:11 So how long have you been dating for two years? How'd you meet? Tinder? Really? Yeah. Yeah, I know. I you know, it's funny. That's how Chuck and I met. Yeah. But Unknown Speaker 28:24 it was funny. I was talking to somebody about about Tinder. And she's like, that's how I met my husband. I'm like, wow, that stuff actually works. Well, you know what it's not like I think it started off there's like, people thought it was just a hookup just try it. But it's it it kind of Unknown Speaker 28:40 shows who's out there to go and right but when I beat when I like made a Tinder It was like a joke. And I was just like, I want to make friends because I didn't have a lot of like, I don't have a lot of friends and I was new to like the area and I was like, I want to make friends. Like I just want to meet cool people that like do art and like playing music. Unknown Speaker 29:00 And like I don't I want to like just have some like cool experiences with people. So it was it was like a play tonic thing where did she swipe right? Yeah What do you what do you do? Unknown Speaker 29:13 Oh really interesting runny nose a coffee roaster I do but you guys are obviously can really relate with your coffee experience. I know it's like so do you come home and you're just like Starbucks that you kind of like sold out to Starbucks everything she's just like well she's like an elegant like craft coffee roaster. I'm like a star and you're like, dude, I only know blonde rose. Whatever. She's like, you should try this Ethiopian Gucci coffee and I'm like what? So she's the kind of sure you're just, I'm just here just like trying to do music and like I like all the people I work with. There are a lot of artsy people themselves. Everyone's kind of doing their own thing at Starbucks, which makes it cool. You can meet like so many interesting and different kinds of people. It's one of my favorite jobs I've ever Unknown Speaker 30:00 Because it is flexible for me to pursue my music as like frequently as I do, like I can go on tour and I can take days off, but I can still have like a consistent job. So So let me ask you a question. So you you were bullied in school and you're kind of running around going from different schools different school? Mm hmm. Kind of separated from from all the other kids your age. Were you really into art? Yeah, I liked Are you an artist in other ways other than music? I used to draw a lot. I haven't in years. I used to write like poetry and stuff. writing music is like my main thing but but you only started that when you're like 17 are a long time I wrote since I was like 13 or 14. Yeah, I learned to play guitar when I was 14. And before that, I thought, Yeah, I don't know anything about like music theory. I can't read music. None of that. So I just, I'll just put my guitar into a weird tuning like on purpose and I'll be like, right, it's not alternate tunings. Yeah, okay, so my whole like, I think there's like weird tunings, not alternative Unknown Speaker 31:00 Yeah weird, weird tunings, but like only one of my songs on my new EP is in standard and the rest are like just like crazy tunings that I kind of just like challenge myself to write in that I like just will like makeup. I love alternate tunings. And as I'm a guitarist myself, and I just don't have the patience and don't have the patience for it, which is a fault of my own. But when you do an alternate tuning, it opens up a whole world of stuff like what got you into dolphin tunings was very influenced for you know, I got really bored so like I would only write anything in standard. And then I learned to write and like drop D and then it got to the point where I felt like I was playing all the same things all the time. And so I would just like be like Alright, I'm gonna change this string to this and this one to this and I'm gonna write a song in it. And I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna tune it back until I like write a song in it. In which I've come to like regret when I'm like playing on stage and I have to like, tune my guitar into these Unknown Speaker 32:00 Different drastic things like per song. Yeah, it makes for some like really cool songs that I don't think like you wouldn't otherwise hear those like notes vibing together and stuff. So it's something that I've grown to like love hate. Have you ever heard of Nick Drake? Yes. So Nick Drake was an ultimate tuner. And a lot of and there's a story that in the in the biography that someone wrote about him. He used to be at coffee shops, and he plays on his amazing, beautiful son. And then it took him forever to tune his guitar to the tuning that he wanted to be in. And he wasn't like a talker. He was a really quiet guy. Yeah, so it'd be like 15 minutes of him just trying to tune up Have you conquered that, that gap between tunings now, what do you do? Know so like, usually, cuz I already like when I play music to begin with, like, I'm not a performer, like I don't like I play my songs and like, I'll talk a little bit about what they're about sometimes, but I don't really like having Unknown Speaker 33:00 Like performance, I guess, you know you don't you don't seem shy or I'm super shy. Like I'm like awkward and uncomfortable all the time. I get that at all, but people don't. Yeah, like I was gonna say Ron is awkward. Right now I am sitting next to him. The tuning thing though. Are you saying you should tell like a little story water tuning? Yeah, well, I'm just wondering like between two that could be an opportunity. Yeah, but I don't I just like so the thing is, if I try to tell a story while I'm tuning I won't like focus on it. Because I'm anxious and so I'll just be it will take me longer to tune it because I'm not paying attention. So I'll like ask people to tell dad jokes a lot. When I yeah, like someone please like yell dad jokes. Well, I tune my guitar. That's good. I like that. Wait a second. We are perfect for your audience. No, I told him first of all my show is I'm just like, but what if you had another guitar that was already tuned in the other alternative. So that's what I did for the Boston Music Awards. I had I borrowed a guitar from one of the other bands Unknown Speaker 34:00 Party boys. I think it was, um, I had one tuned for the next song because the two that I were playing was playing worse in such drastically different tunings that I didn't want to attempt it. What's gonna happen with the next gig? Where are you playing again? You already told me March 7 and march 16. Yes. Um, and then I'm playing like like a so far sounds thing. Oh good. I don't know if you're supposed to tell me no, I suppose. Oh, no, don't say that. Don't Stop, stop. Don't do that. Okay, please. Oh my God, we almost got sound like Yeah, no, I've been doing I've been a couple so far. Sounds I like that. So yeah, so it's supposed to be a last minute thing. Well, can you So can you tell what so far is maybe we'll get them to sponsor this episode. You don't know so far as I do, but I thought the listeners might want me to tell them. Well, somebody good Yeah. You know who they're, I mean, they're they host house shows and like, or just like intimate shows and like little setting. Unknown Speaker 35:00 And they have an audience of people that like sign up to come without really knowing, like, who's playing or anything like that where it is? Yeah. Or no like anything about the show, really. And people show up and they just come to listen to whoever's playing. So you have like an attentive audience already there for you. And it's a really cool concept. I like I had done one in the past and I've met people on I did one in Boston, where it was at a house. someone's house, I went to one I was at a bike shop. Really? Yeah, she was Walter circuit. They played that about really, the whole concept. Yeah, it's great. And it's in over like 400 cities around the world. And I know, everywhere, but like the process, though, that you also know, when you're going that you're gonna get something good. Like, you have to have a bar that says, Yeah, they're like, you're not you're not gonna have some like, you know, they wouldn't have exactly, they're not gonna have us play. No. So okay, so this is what I want to talk about. You have a lot of videos and I love them. I love all the Unknown Speaker 36:00 The music videos that you do. Mm hmm. I mean for a shy person is that something you're comfortable doing? It's become something that I'm comfortable doing I have a lot of friends that do like camera work and stuff like that yeah, it's easier for me to do it with them because they know me and they know that I'm I'm gonna like mess up like seven times or like laugh or something stupid. So because a lot of times you have to look there and look pensive. Yeah, like you have to look Unknown Speaker 36:26 well is that a big part of your vision is like having it more online and videos and I just always want to make sure that I have videos because I think that it helps people like he was saying like feel the song a little bit more. I just like to have like small didn't have a lot of production. I feel like it helps people get like a vibe for the song because you can kind of like show them visually like this is what I feel about the song. This is like the visual content I'm putting out for it like to go along with that audio and it gives the song like more of a mood. Is there a video for living room? Not yet. Unknown Speaker 37:00 I want to see if you want us in it. Yeah. Oh God, we can do a cameo. Unknown Speaker 37:05 I'll be awesome. You know how to get hold of us. I can dress as like the mother. And I'll be the father. Unknown Speaker 37:11 That sounds great. Chuck. There you go. There's one song that was so different from the other side. It was a mess. Yeah, it's very happy. Yeah, it's not Well, I mean, the words, but it's like it's upbeat. Unknown Speaker 37:26 Yes, that's very that's better said. Where'd that come from? That was a song that I wrote it a lot slower. It was initially a lot slower. And when I was doing that album, someone that I was working with for that Album at the time was like, let's just make it a fast song and let's give it this kind of vibe. But drums on it. It was kind of just like a weird thing that happened on one of my albums. I guess we could do it both ways. I guess. Yeah. I liked it. I liked how it came out. This is that probably happened in the studio. Yeah, tell me how you work in the studio is it you go Unknown Speaker 38:00 With said ideas collaborate with the producer, musicians, how do you how do you work? It's been different every time like the last talk about this last album, okay, so homeless like I did it all in one day, the entire album, this album for rewired I put a lot more time and resources and money into it good I did at the bridge sound and stage and I worked with Alex allanson there and he definitely had like a lot of input like we worked pretty closely on it and then I had like I said, Kevin from Valley heart help a lot with production too. He did a lot of the guitar I did a lot of the just like you know the the initial guitar but he put those like extra bits in there and like a lot of the droney parts. I worked pretty closely with both of them on that for quite a few of the songs vacancy. The last song was like pretty minimalistic, I had a lot of like collaboration with them on that. It's kind of like I finally feel like I for this album. Unknown Speaker 39:00 People that I was really good at working with because we all kind of just got each other like he understood what I wanted. So did Alex. So it was like a good setup than I've had when I've recorded in the past. Because when I go into the studio I often feel like lost. So Alex and Kevin definitely helped with that a lot. Was there any time where someone was like, you know what this song is missing another verse, or it's missing a bridge. Not really, it was kind of like, I brought the song with the guitar, like I had the demos, and we kind of just added pieces instrumentally like onto the structure. This is basically what it was. Yeah, but the structure of the song for all the songs is the same. It's the base that it is when I play them live. We just kind of added stuff on to it to enhance it, I guess what would you say is different from this about this album from the other two, it's got more instrumentation, I think and it's got more like, ambience like spiciness to it. It's got a lot more like feelings. Unknown Speaker 40:00 But like through the instruments, like the instruments help give the song a feeling a lot more in my opinion, they have a lot more emotion I was more confident with them than I was on my last album with the extra resources and time and money and everything like it was like worth it and it came out what I wanted Do you think you're gonna be able to to have that that same sound and all the instrumentation when you do this live like live with a band, the band is just something that you can recreate. I think for the most part, like some of the like drones and like, obviously in the living room, there's like that vocal distortion part with the like tape that's playing. I mean, I'm sure we can figure out how to like do that live, but I think for the most part, we'd be able to get that same feeling from the song tour in in April. Yep. The album's out. Yeah. It's called again for the rewired. People listen to this rewired rewire when you playing again in Boston. I'm playing in Boston at a house show on March 7 and at the jungle on March 16. Unknown Speaker 41:00 I'm into the jungle yet. Have you been the jungle? I've heard it's good. I like it. I've been there a few times. Yeah. When are you gonna be playing with a full band? I don't know. I guess I'm still trying to find people that I feel fit. Something I've struggled with a lot is finding a drummer. How about we set up a gig for you to have a full band? We'll record it. We'll put it a live LP. I mean, if you want to do that, I met him. He won't play guitar though. I have to play guitar though. I have to be a guitarist. Well, we could do a live show with the whole band. I'm very interested to hear with everything. Yeah, I want to see you by yourself too. I like that like that as well. But do you ever sing without a guitar? No, but I honestly would love to because I feel like it would take it would like I would feel a lot more comfortable I think onstage just saying like just that's so interesting, cuz I usually feel uncomfortable. Without a guitar. I don't know what to do with my hands. Yeah, I feel like I would definitely feel that like I'd be like, what do I do I need to have like scars but I'd be super interested in playing like with Unknown Speaker 42:00 Like everyone else just playing the instruments and just to see what that feels like because I feel like for me and like my anxiety I'd be like I don't have to worry about messing up on guitar I only have to worry about messing up vocally Yeah, for this show that we're gonna do with you live no pressure Chuck is gonna produce it and I think that you should do one song where you say this is what I'm just gonna sing just gonna sing. Well, we we play a few a few songs for sure. We'd love it. Can you play living here? I actually planned Sawyer Unknown Speaker 42:32 Well, thank you very much for doing this where the name ghost girl come from. Um, so when I used to just play music under my name, Brianna bata Celli people would like walk into my show and think that I was gonna sing like opera or like something really pretty. So I was wondering Can you sing is pretty or like, you know, something like, like elegant, like classical. So I just be like, Oh no, it's me singing sad stuff. So I kind of like Unknown Speaker 43:00 like, Whoa, I feel like this thing fits because I'm kind of always like, I was a person that was like in the back of the room. So it was a joke at first like, Oh, I'm kind of like a ghost and then I was like, I should change my name anyway because everybody thinks that I play like cello or something, you know, so that's good. I like it. Like a good a good, good band names important. Yeah, I wanted to leave it open to like I wanted I didn't want to be Jana Batali because I wanted to have the option to expand to a full band if I wanted to. I wanted to have the option to add stuff and not just be like a solo artist if I wanted to add other like band members or something like that. So well, you get we're big fans. Think. I know we don't mean to gush too much but really love your music and good luck. Good luck on the tour. Unknown Speaker 44:16 Say you make me rock Unknown Speaker 44:28 see Unknown Speaker 44:31 Wow. sing song Unknown Speaker 44:37 No, I think it's funny that we will die Unknown Speaker 44:48 but no bruising my own try No laughs You Unknown Speaker 45:11 swole Unknown Speaker 45:13 collapsible brain gone Unknown Speaker 45:20 after Unknown Speaker 45:22 coding, Unknown Speaker 45:28 coding. Unknown Speaker 45:31 Jake me Unknown Speaker 45:35 visiting Unknown Speaker 45:37 empty now. Unknown Speaker 45:40 Not the house that Unknown Speaker 45:44 your father's gone I came fun by Unknown Speaker 45:49 Sarah Unknown Speaker 45:51 King Unknown Speaker 46:07 Different now your hair's bleached. 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Unknown Speaker 54:55 Sad Unknown Speaker 55:01 The Unknown Speaker 55:29 We would like to thank Giana for sitting with us and hope this pandemic goes away soon so she can get on the road and share her music. You can learn more about ghost girl at ghost girl music.com girl again is spelled g RL with no AI. We'd also like to thank Woods Hill Table for for their hospitality located in the Boston seaport district with magnificent harbor views. Owner Kristian Canty and Chef Charlie foster bring their passions of food family farms into Unknown Speaker 56:00 Sustainable sourcing to pure for visit 300 pure for Boulevard in Boston. Get a reservation at 617-981-4577 or go to Woods Hill pure four.com. And finally, go to above the basement.com where you can sign up for our newsletter. Listen and subscribe to our podcast like our Facebook page. Follow us on Twitter and look at all the nice pictures we post on Instagram. We are everywhere. From all of us at above the basement. 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