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Chuck Clough 4:30
You know when we hit when we hit Episode 100 we weren't sure who should be Episode 100 seemed like a big milestone, decided to skip it all together. So we go from Episode 99 to Episode 101 we didn't want to give anyone that kind of like you know, maybe it was Obama or something like that having but your Episode 152 but, but and Christina, thank you for for joining me you know that Ron Ronnie Hershberger, my co host, he's the chief medical officer for Boston hope which is the off sight Mass General Hospital setup for people with COVID. Do you set up there otherwise engaged to trying to be a healer?
Unknown Speaker 5:08
Yeah, it's amazing. Actually, I was emailing with him just a couple weeks ago. MarcaRelli did like a little zoom, play some music for some of the doctors and nurses working with those patients to kind of like give them a treat. It's funny. I like knew he worked in medicine. But when you get an email where he's like, yeah, I'm sorry. I'm I'm really busy right now because I'm, you know, the new Chief Medical Officer at the COVID recovery hospital. Like, all right,
Chuck Clough 5:35
sounds more highfalutin than it actually is. But we'll give we'll give them that Chief Medical Officer cmo sounds pretty highfalutin. Good. Sounds good. You know? Yeah. But right. Let's talk about you. How are you doing? Tell us how things have been going in this love in the time of COVID.
Unknown Speaker 5:53
Well, you know, it's just interesting to hear you talk about people in the medical world and it's interesting Mine's me that this moment has hitting so many people in different ways. And for a lot of us in the music industry, obviously derailed a lot of the stuff we were looking forward to doing. But we don't have anything to do really. I mean, we can hang out more or less and, you know, if you're, you know, got unemployment, which, you know, thank God, they put that through the feds, I can't believe they pulled that off, but you know, it, it really helped us and I think it's just hitting everybody differently and, and for musicians. We're not definitely not frontline workers. So obviously, there's been a lot of, you know, online stuff happening, but I think that for a lot of my friends, and certainly for myself, it's it's been a time to slow down, and I really feel like I wish that I could have done this for myself. Now, this disease hitting not that it's felt good because it's hard to feel good about anything right now. But I'm not mourning the loss of the work as much as i thought i would i actually been working plenty for the past few years. So it's actually been nice to focus on some other things and, and to not travel.
Unknown Speaker 7:14
Have you found that it's giving you new ideas or a new shape to kind of the projects that you want to do coming up? I feel like sometimes that kind of a hard reset, you know, everyone's always moving so quickly. It's really easy just to like, take the logical next step. And now all of a sudden, we have all this time sitting at home. I'm wondering how it's kind of impacted your like more long term thinking.
Unknown Speaker 7:35
Yeah, I don't I'm not there yet. I really am not. I'm just one thing that I have been sort of meditating on, I suppose, for lack of a better word is the idea of like, what, what do I do? You know, and why is it important to me and why do I do it? And I think that I've been hearing that from the few musicians that I talked to. There is a general sense of have sort of second guessing what this is all about, or at least wondering, what's important to us, you know. And I know that the thing that I keep coming back to is that I, I like the wildlife. I like being in close quarters with other people I like performing to audiences that are excited and spitting on each other and, and I like sharing microphones with my friends. And I like jumping in a van with a bunch of people and laughing and listening to music together and along the way, and I like having communal dinners with our hosts or the promoters I, it's hard to imagine how this would be fun for me. If I was trying to be whatever this next thing is going to be like. We've already been asked to do gigs and that's kind of why I'm thinking this way. It's like go well, I wouldn't even know how to do session Americana in this environment. It's a whole New Tech for that. I don't have an answer, though. I don't I haven't gotten to where there's like a, something I'm looking forward to. I feel like what I represent and what I do and what I love. It's a sort of a dying thing anyway, but maybe this will be the end of it.
Unknown Speaker 9:16
Do you really feel that way? Well, not that this will be the end of it. But it's a dying I totally disagree.
Unknown Speaker 9:24
Well, let me put it this way. I've never thought this sort of ancillary part of being a performing musician, this sort of lifestyle, I'd never thought of that as a skill. You know, and I think it is being able to be happy and survive and spread joy and not lose perspective and to stay. Keep moving and stay collaborative. And it's a it's a skill set, I think, and it's hard to learn it. And I think you get it by by being really with people and, and being intimate, and I think that it's maybe not last forever, but so a lot of knowledge that's going away right now, probably,
Unknown Speaker 10:11
yeah, if you get it through practice, and now you can't really practice. I mean, so many really young new artists are making music like in their bedrooms with themselves and with tech and with loot pedals. And I guess there I kind of see your point of like, just the nature of it is can be a lot more solitary these days. That's true.
Unknown Speaker 10:34
Yeah. And then the follow up to that. What you just said is, I've been wondering, can I imagine finding a way to be excited about and good at doing this a different way? And that that I really don't have the answer to.
Chuck Clough 10:50
Yeah, you know, I think it this is going to be stages. It feels like to me in that. You know, when this first started happening, we're all kind of thrown into our own little holes to Stay away from everybody else. You know, it was a shock to our system and, and I think as we've all been solitary in a way, it's been good for the soul. And we've kind of realized and kind of been able to ruminate about like, what am I missing? What is important to me? Who am I missing? And who do I like? Who am I glad not not? I don't mean to be negative here, but who am I glad not to see and who, you know, how important is having those communal dinners and, and sharing that microphone and go in a concert. It's been it's been one of those things where, you know, I've always kind of fought for everyone's got to go to live music and so many people have not been alive music in such a long time. When they finally go to live music, they're like, why haven't I been going alive music they forget how amazing it is. And now that musicians and people have been going who are used to going alive music, haven't been able to, you know, they've just kind of had to reevaluate their priorities. And now you can really know, what am I missing? And so I think, you know, the sickness in the horrible toll this has taken I mean, we've all lost somebody to COVID I'm sure I've lost some friends and, and I've seen a lot of musicians who have lost parents, and it's just been really horrible. But that horribleness aside, you know, I think we're now we're at a point where, you know, I kind of get your, you know, I don't know where we're gonna go from here, I get it. And I think that's the next stage is like, we're going to figure out where that's going to be. And I think in the fall, or even the summer, we'll be in a different place, and we'll just kind of adjust to whatever that is. I think this has been good for the soul. And I think it's time to move on. And take that next step, whatever that is.
Unknown Speaker 12:49
Yeah, I mean, I don't I don't feel ready to make that next step. Yeah, I mean, like Jordan halls close to next tune. The least my friends in Nashville are all talking about All Ronnie 21 as being the time where they're being asked to go back to work, and then there's this whole other reality of like, what is country we live in? Oh, I don't even know if I want to go out there. See these people? Yeah, it's just, it's, you know, it's messy. I don't know what's gonna happen. It's, it's confusing. There's instability with the disease, obviously. But there's other instabilities that are hard to grapple with Somehow, I mean, anyway, I look forward to the next thing though. And I actually this is gonna sound morbid, but like, I I've had such a great time in my last 10 years of doing this music. It's like, I don't know other people can do something cool and fun to do you know what I mean? Like it's it was what I loved never comes back. I'll miss it, but I won't regret. Things changed. I've had I've been blessed. Think
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pack my bags this morning.
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said my goodbyes yesterday.
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frenzy Wish me well.
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Justin smile
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swell strap
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so close.
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Chuck Clough 16:04
Just to talk about session Americana a little bit about, we're certainly going to talk about your latest project. You know, that's been such the antithesis of what we've been doing. It's a communal group settings. I was reading the bio on session Americana. And I talked about how you know, you play a suitcase. And it reminded me some of the greatest musical jams that I've ever had was in my little apartment in New York when I lived in New York. And I had my acoustic guitar and we couldn't have a drummer in the room because we just didn't have room he didn't have drums. So you just played whatever it was around the shelf, the box that I had it as a, as a coffee table, that were just all really kind of surrounding each other really, really close knit, and, you know, really listening to each other and that kind of close knit playing and jamming with some of the best jams I've ever had. And that's kind of what you seem to emulate when such an American gets together. You're all kind of right on top of each other. And yeah, that's what I love about what you guys do.
Unknown Speaker 17:06
Just to jump on that quickly. I feel like one of the things I most love about a session Americana show is like, it's obviously like, well practice, like you all really know your stuff, but it's also so loose and like, I feel like so much of the beauty of going to the session show comes from that like spontaneity and that looseness and the comfort that you all feel with each other that really comes from like, a lack of fear. And I think for me, like as someone who is really pretty desperately missing concerts right now, like really, really missing right now. Like I get emotional thinking about it, just that you know, that comfort and closeness and like willingness to like really hone in on what the person across from you is doing and be able to work with that and respond to that. It's like so it's so vivid when you go to a session show and yeah, I look forward to getting that back.
Unknown Speaker 17:54
We've had over the years little taglines that we kind of, you know how you call whatever you do. Like troubadour or whatever. And we would always say, for a while we were saying, and I still think this is a good one is session merkon is not afraid to suck. No. It's just part of the, it might be great, you know, and that's, I think what's enabled that group to keep moving is that we have been willing to not be consistent, I think, and that allows us to be surprised still. So if we just hone in on something 14 years ago, and kind of just grew that and made it polished it and made it better and better, we'd be just I mean, as it is, I don't know how we play beer town anymore. But it's like every time we play it, it's like a battle.
Chuck Clough 18:49
But I love that suck. I mean, we talk about fear a lot too. And, and I love how that and that being unafraid to make a mistake I just suck is what makes such an American So, so great to listen to this because you're all you're all your own and you're all individuals playing off of each other every time I see a such an American a video or you know something that's been going on live, there's somebody new in the in the band, you always have someone new in there who maybe hasn't rehearsed with you guys. And so you're just winging it and not afraid to make a mistake. That's what I love about.
Unknown Speaker 19:28
Yeah, that's another reason why session is still a thing that we can call that name is because we Well, I've grown in confidence that I that the new group that's going to get on stage is going to do a good show, you know, and, and that it's always been surprising how many great people have just offered to join or, you know, in some cases, beg to join.
Unknown Speaker 19:54
Did you not get my audition materials,
Chuck Clough 19:56
come on, you're sort of in the group. I'm not above begging. I loved it.
Unknown Speaker 20:00
That's the other critique that session Americana has always gotten is is that it's the band that you kind of wish you were in. Right if you're in the audience you know there's some bands you see you're like, wow, this band is great. You might not think that session Americana but you think wow, I really wish I had a band like this. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 20:20
that's exactly what I think I would love to have a band like that. And you know, in in the in the bio you talk about it's kind of like the traditional Irish pub gathering the corner kind of thing. Congratulations on the band. It's It's fantastic. And, and I'll be sending my audition tape right after we talk today.
Unknown Speaker 20:38
Yeah, then I feel like it's been so long since we've caught up I know like obviously you've got the session stuff that you've been working on your new album for quite a while. So I'm excited to talk about the new project. Yeah, I feel like you're someone who does a lot of different things like you've got your your solo project you've got the band's like you always have something cool up your sleeve. I'm kind of curious to hear like how to talk about the new album. But also be to kind of hear how the different pieces of what you're working on or what you're a part of are kind of like fitting together these days.
Unknown Speaker 21:07
Yeah, well, not everything fits really loosely. Right? Yeah. It's no problem putting together that puzzle. Yeah, I'll tell the long version. When I burned out in my job 10 years ago.
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Are you doing um, me asking?
Unknown Speaker 21:24
I was in education, but I was a, I had become an administrator, technology administrator at a school, small private school in Boston. And I did that for long enough that it burned me out. I was in my late 30s and married and I had a five year old son for variety reasons. I just thought, I'll do a gap year here and do something else and my wife was in a position where she was finishing a degree but she had an independent study that She needed to do like a final project. We moved to Ireland for a year, we rented our house. And I lived there and I worked as a musician. I was in like three bands and I hosted a little session Americana kind of night. In my local pub. When I came home, I had assumed I'd actually started applying for grad school thinking I was going to go back into education to do arts administration, rather than tech. I just I was working with sessions still like part time ish, we would, you know, occasionally go do a tour or play some shows. But when I got home, the governor was Mitt Romney. And they had just passed this new health care program. while I was away, actually, our son had a medical issue that right when we got back that had to be dealt with, and it was expensive, and it was sort of terrifying for a second. So in that process, we rushed and what are we going to do with for insurance and anyway, that state walked in and paid his bills. So at that moment, with my Wife kind of free and ready to start joining the workforce again, and all of a sudden, not needing to pay for health insurance. I had one of those entrepreneurial moments that you get when you live in a society that pays for stuff, you know, and decided, well, maybe I'll just try doing music. And one of the first things I thought of was, I'd really like to do a record of my dad songs. And it took 10 years of sort of ruminating and trying to find time and but I had this feeling like it's got to be done. You know, I've been lucky enough to be able to do this for all that time, you know, played music full time and work with a lot of great people. Anyway, it was just it was hard to find a way in to this project just because it's very intimate and I just didn't know how to approach it. But I grabbed Duke for a couple of days and just played the songs down with an acoustic guitar to sit next to me and it was done. And then I plan my big world tour and then COVID hits
Unknown Speaker 23:59
wherever you supposed to go I like I was gonna ask
Unknown Speaker 24:02
it wasn't that bad. A bunch of my friends were being very supportive of the project and one one of the first things I was going to do was help Jeff phone call to a tour in Ireland in January. So I went over and open for him there and when he decided he wanted to take me to England for 10 days or so. So that got thrown out the door. It was fine. It's not not not the end of the world. Actually, it was a funny, I guess I can say this now cuz it's over. But there was a funny thing that happened with that where we both paid for publicity because I had the album and I was like, Okay, well, I got up get a publicist. Right. So anyway, the publicist did a great job and like people all over the UK, listen to the album and reviewed it and we're publicizing the shows and, you know, we've got a lot of interest, so to speak, but we didn't have enough to go. So it's sort of like Jeff and Ira. Well, we could have engineered this.
Unknown Speaker 24:58
We hadn't even bought places. tickets, just tell them you're coming.
Chuck Clough 25:03
So the album's called time for this. And I wonder if you could talk about your dad a little bit, I could go to rye, Kevin calm, there's a video there that you do. But towards the end of it, you have a really amazing collage of some super eight film of your dad and, and some pictures of him playing and singing. You know, I wonder if you could just talk a little bit about your dad, how do you choose the songs that you ended up with them?
Unknown Speaker 25:27
Well, I mean, start with at the end, which was that he passed away really young. He was 48 when he died in 1993. I always get that wrong, but I think it was 93 and, and I was 48 when I recorded the help. I'm actually that was a hard year for me because I was you know, there was a sense of imminent death, you know, for myself last year, I was like, I gotta get this done. That's he passed away even really young. So it's been a While that he's been gone, and he grew up in Connecticut, he was a square. I was born in the same town. He was Stamford, Connecticut, and
Chuck Clough 26:08
I was born in Stamford, Connecticut. Oh, correct. Yeah, I saw that. I was only there for six months as an infant. And then we moved up to Boston, but I saw Oh my god, Stanford.
Unknown Speaker 26:19
You know, whenever we're on tour, just the past year actually, I've been doing this thing where sometime in the show at session show I'll be like, so I'm from Connecticut. And not everyone but like, a lot of people in the audience will laugh in Europe. Like all I do is say I'm from Connecticut. What other state do people laugh?
Unknown Speaker 26:39
I don't know. I have no
Unknown Speaker 26:40
idea. But Connecticut is like the funny state for some reason.
Chuck Clough 26:45
It's hilarious. It's hilarious state.
Unknown Speaker 26:47
If you said like I was from Maryland. People are gonna laugh. No, that's not a fun.
Unknown Speaker 26:52
Delaware though. Delaware is hilarious.
Unknown Speaker 26:54
Delaware has a little bit of Connecticut. Yeah. Where
Unknown Speaker 26:58
were you born? Yes. So I had and he was like a pre hippie, I guess. It's kind of a crazy person, I guess, in this way even as a youth, but he started writing songs when he was in his early 20s. And, you know that mid to late 60s era, I guess it wasn't unusual for people to pick up an acoustic guitar and try to write like Bob Dylan, you know, I think my dad was just one of those people. He always had like a group, you know, that played. So when I was a baby, and when I was a little kid, there was always mandolins and dough bros and drums and kusa guitars and electric guitars and stuff around the house and a bunch of crazy pot smoking, musicians coming and going, and cases in cases of these little tiny beer cans that they used to drink, I guess.
Unknown Speaker 27:53
He was like a musician for the pleasure of it more than like a professional performing musician.
Unknown Speaker 28:00
Think that he wanted to be a professional artist, he considered himself to be an artist. But he couldn't really make it work for a variety of reasons. In the seven, early 70s, he was played coffee houses. And around here Actually, we were living in Massachusetts for a lot of that time. And then he started this alter ego, I guess, for lack of a better word, which was a country singer called Bobby pad. And that sort of happened right in the middle of that sort of Urban Cowboy craze. And that time, he would be it would have been, we're living in Connecticut, and he was playing in New York at the Lone Star cafe, which is so cool. I mean, I looked back this year, that sort of thumb through and you can see ads from that era. And the bands that were playing there was just incredible. And as a tiny little venue. And George, my dad's band would play there, you know, a couple times a month for a couple of years. So it's amazing how exactly Similar it all is like when you really look at it. I mean my the scale of what I do is a little different and that time is a little different and I'm a different person but it's kind of the same. It's kind of the same.
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making
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a kid wrong.
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She slows down foody
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then
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Somebody's pretty raw.
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This Express stone make no stuff
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like it's brighter up here.
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Oh, Ring. Ring.
Unknown Speaker 30:49
So how did you gather the songs I ended up putting on the album.
Unknown Speaker 30:53
I have all this old notebooks and I have demos and I have I can get access to most of the songs. pretty easily. I just listened to everything and read everything I have just put the papers all over the place and look through and I was trying to find songs that I thought I could sing. Well, that's really my criteria, something that felt like I could relate to. And I think that I mostly related to the simpler stuff. I think I like this sort of, I mean, not to criticize this work because nobody knows his work. But like, some of the stuff is a little more wordy, and I don't really I'm not. I don't really go for that as much. That sort of, I guess, 60s Dylan language. I'm more than 70 still in.
Unknown Speaker 31:41
br you already familiar with a lot of the songs?
Unknown Speaker 31:44
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was, it was actually amazing. Like, it was like, switching a light on I just sat down and played the ball like is not even like that much of an effort.
Chuck Clough 31:56
Were the recordings that you found that you hadn't heard, ever or Conversion such a long time
Unknown Speaker 32:01
yeah good forever It's it's stuff from like when you're a baby. Yes actually is wrong on the record records called time for this. That's the song that he wrote. For me when I was a baby. There's a
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bellow no and eat all
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so so
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you can get your head down any procedure.
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This ANOVA sees McKee. That's why
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he's talking from top
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cradle
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brings a stove to the bottom of snow
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This is a mixer
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with Ivan played his guitar. Got it still we got to sing guitar.
Unknown Speaker 33:09
He recorded it at 48. This was you know, the age that he passed away? Was that somewhat intentional? Obviously, you've been thinking about it for a long time. But you know, as you were kind of coming up on that age did you kind of decide like, Okay, this is the time to do it, or was it a little more organic,
Chuck Clough 33:29
sick the more
Unknown Speaker 33:30
time goes by since I changed age in April.
Unknown Speaker 33:35
It's been a month and a half Happy belated.
Unknown Speaker 33:38
I made it through I think I thought it was gonna die. You know, I think I was terrified of dying and not having done the things that I wanted to do. And this was one of the things and it was intentional, but it was only like, procrastinating to the last possible minute, you know, before I thought, you know, subconsciously I think I thought the end was could be there.
Unknown Speaker 34:00
You thought this because you're This is when your father had passed you this is what?
Unknown Speaker 34:04
Yeah. And I've since found out it's kind of a thing. Even my GP was like, yeah, that's the thing. And it's actually we pass it on to our kids. So it's kind of weird.
Unknown Speaker 34:14
Did you feel like the process of of making the album kind of opened a window for you to process that or to think about it more consciously, or it hasn't been more of like a post album reflection, that's kind of that as opposed to album
Unknown Speaker 34:30
or fashion, but a window did open and there's people interacting with George's music now a little bit and there was an article and reviews. And it's just really interesting to say to me, you know, was talking my brother, we're joking. It's like, Oh, I have news from dad. You know, I guess what I realized is that I've extended my relationship with him, started a conversation with him again, and now I feel like I have a new chapter in our relationship and it's been a wonder Chapter actually. So,
Chuck Clough 35:03
yeah, it's good. I mean, you're so fortunate to be able to have a father who wrote music and to be able to go and put out his songs that he wrote that no one maybe certainly now would have heard. That's a pretty special thing to be able to do.
Unknown Speaker 35:16
It's somewhat unique, I think. Yeah. And the fact that he's gone actually helps. I hate to say it, that's a horrible thing to say. But it's what I know. He's not kind of looming. It's and it's been a long time. So I didn't expect it to feel the way it did. And I felt very
Chuck Clough 35:34
joyous to do it. When I first got to your website, and so I mentioned earlier at the top of the website, it has a video and about five minutes in or so there's a really well done performance of you, your wife Jennifer Kimball and Duke Levine playing carillon. I played it over and over again this morning. Such a beautiful song two guitars together and, and with Jennifer's harmonies and that's the first song on the album, is it not?
Unknown Speaker 36:05
Yeah, I find that song to be very relaxing. That's kind of how I want to feel these days, you know? Yeah, that's one thing I like about it though. I regret that not I can't play those songs for as many people as I would like to. Now I at least I feel like I'm putting an album out that emotionally feels like where I want to be right now. I want people to hear this record because I don't think it'll upset them. You know, I think that'll relax them a little bit.
Unknown Speaker 36:30
Not that any music I make would upset you. But you know,
Unknown Speaker 36:33
I feel like there's also this, this kind of additional point of comfort from your album right now, which is like, you know, we're in the midst of this global pandemic. And I think there's like a lot of existential fear about people losing their parents losing people they love who have health Wallner abilities and there is something a little extra special about you know, you having successfully created this new chapter and this like new element of your life. relationship with your father even long after he's passed, but I bet a lot of people find comforting on that level also is like there's this element of comfort in continuation that can be really like reassuring at a time like this when I think people are feeling a lot of like existential anxiety.
Unknown Speaker 37:19
Yeah, I mean, I hope so. You know, I feel like making things is critical to being human being. That's sort of my philosophy, right? I think the fact that my father made stuff, you know, it might not have seemed that valuable at the time, or maybe it was challenging or whatever. It's not easy. But it's something that you pass on. It's something that lives it's something that happens I I really want to encourage people to try to chase you know, whether you like making workbenches or doll houses or songs or paintings or watercolors, I just feel like it's so discouraged in our culture, all of those things. And they're so wonderful to have them when people are gone, you know, whatever it is,
Chuck Clough 38:05
I'm excited to see you. I've never seen such an American alive. And I'm excited to see that. And I know it's my loss. And I'm excited for you to eventually I assume this is going to happen to to tour the album. It's a such a great album, you know, are you planning for that? Or is it kind of something you put aside or
Unknown Speaker 38:24
my temptation is to say that it's not happening? You know? I don't I don't see getting to a place where I want to go back. Yeah. I think that I'll be going to something else. And I hope that this music really becomes part of what the next thing is, you know, but I can't imagine trying to it's gonna be a while before I feel comfortable enough to get out there and do what I do in front of people. I could start recording again Pretty soon, I think I hope. Yeah. No, I don't think this this wasn't a postponement. This was a question Installation.
Chuck Clough 39:00
Do you think such an American will start playing these songs? Or were you playing these songs before
Unknown Speaker 39:04
we recorded one of the songs of my dad's a while back? We might revisit that one. Yeah, Trinity. We recorded it with rose phones on in staples, and but session, you know, there's so many songs.
Unknown Speaker 39:17
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Do you have a sense for what is next? It's an impossible question at this time. But I work as an artist manager and like have spent a lot of time over the past few weeks thinking about the rest of 2020 and beginning of 2021, like as you were saying, like, if it's still going to be a long while before people can really get back out and play shows like, you know, what do we focus on and more and more, I wonder if listeners and just music fans, people, humans are going to like really focus on like re embracing, purchasing, recorded music are kind of re embracing the concept of the album, and yeah, now if you want Music you really have to think about like, Alright, well, if you like an artist, like, look at their projects, not just like, shuffle a bunch of singles, I think, you know, singles are like candy in a way that were like an album is a square meal and a little, you know, in a way, and I think like that, that's good. Thank you. Like your album coming out a bunch of artists I love put out albums like in the past few weeks. And it's it's actually like, it's been the real silver lining to me that I feel like, usually I would be like, oh, I'll go to their show. And that's how I'll hear the music. And then if I like it, like, I'll go back to the album, but now it's like, you really have a reason to set aside the time to go through and listen to all these albums. And I mean, that is how we should be honoring people's music, like artists spend so much time and energy thinking about how to present those songs, how to record those songs for posterity, and how to how to frame a whole project and I wonder like, well, I'm sure there's an element of disappointment of like having to cancel the tour. I mean, I hope that like a lot of people then will come to the album. And really listen through, you know,
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you know what the truth is, it doesn't matter how many people come to it. It's just that if they do, some of them do, that's really rewarding if someone, even a few people, and I've already had that happen to me with this project, more than a few, you know, just, I could tell they listened to it all the way through, and they were moved by it, and they wanted to tell me that and that's incredibly important. And just as a tag on to what you were saying about the album, there's no reason why an album should be that length or, you know, like, but, but that's the architecture of my life of my art. It's that form and I know that's what's coming next is that I want to do work I believe in and that I'm comfortable with, and then I'm good at and that I love doing and I don't care About chasing whatever the next thing is if I become less and less successful, whatever that means, as a result of that pursuit, I really doesn't bother me. That's the thing I know for sure is that I love what I do. And I love the people that I work with and I love the
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We would like to thank rye Cavanaugh for joining us and for the fantastic new album. I personally am very much looking forward to seeing him and such an Americana live. Once we get to the new normal, whatever that happens to be, you can get his music and more information at ride kevin.com thanks again to Christina Latino for co hosting. You can see what she does at corner escape.com go to above the basement.com where you can Sign up for our newsletter. Listen and subscribe to our podcast like our Facebook page. Follow us on Twitter, and look at all the nice pictures we post on Instagram. We are everywhere. From all of us at above the basement for listening, tell your friends and remember Boston music like its history is unique.
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